Originally posted by CogitoPrime: "You keep saying stuff, but you aren't doing anything but keeping Mix...that imp here"
Why doesn't that consistent troll vomiting shit on this thread focus on this? (not you Cog)
Why am I even asking. He's a troll. Silly me.
Originally posted by Mr Master
So ... Mxy just got stomped by Prime without stipulations. Nice.Why doesn't that consistent troll vomiting shit on this thread focus on this? (not you Cog)
Why am I even asking. He's a troll. Silly me.
I definitely would say he's talking about you, Cog...
But yeah, that's SURELY a massively low showing, based on his history. But it's nice that according to BeyonderGod, that's not PIS...
In any case, this thread doesn't have Mxy. And his race are less bound by morals and limitations like him.
Originally posted by Galan007Because that poor showing doesn't contradict Mxy and his race's well-established history of ridiculously high-end feats..?
If anything, it's a huge outlier. It'd be quite ridiculous to fixate on just that showing, and pretend like the Imps have done nothing else. Imo.
I just wish this sensible comprehension of yours would flow into those two trolls pestering our forum.
That was the point of my post, to highlight the overbearing hypocrisy coming from those two DC aficionados.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85The philosophy, I believer, absolutely DOES apply to Marvel too.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85new Beyonders in this thread.
So 'old' Beyonder showings, are moot, I guess.
Still, 3 BeyonderS "now" killed all space-time-matter while it was merged as one entity..
Originally posted by DarkSaint85And on that balance, Thor/Hype's showings carry MUCH more weight, now.
You just said Galan's philosophy applies to Marvel yes?
Then we should only consider BeyonderS > all space-time-matter, everything that was, is, or ever will be.
Well, the way I saw it, let's say you have two characters. Stuporman and the Incredible Bulk.
Stuporman has been around since the 1950s. Has 1000 comic appearances.
Bulk was launched last year. Only has 10 appearances.
Surely, if both characters have one low showing, it carries more weight with Bulk? Yes, on paper, its one low showing each...but Stuporman has had WAY more appearances, so it counts for less.
The Prime feat of Mxy, when weighted against ALL the other showings of Mxy, surely counts for less when compared to the Beyonders, who have two (Wildly) contrasting showings?
Edit: Of course, this goes for high showings as well.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, the way I saw it, let's say you have two characters. Stuporman and the Incredible Bulk.Stuporman has been around since the 1950s. Has 1000 comic appearances.
Bulk was launched last year. Only has 10 appearances.
Surely, if both characters have one low showing, it carries more weight with Bulk? Yes, on paper, its one low showing each...but Stuporman has had WAY more appearances, so it counts for less.
The Prime feat of Mxy, when weighted against ALL the other showings of Mxy, surely counts for less when compared to the Beyonders, who have two (Wildly) contrasting showings?
Edit: Of course, this goes for high showings as well.
The 'High Evolutionary' once travelled to a distant part of 616
where the BeyonderS had a museum of Planets they played with,
and actually got a glimpse of one of the BeyonderS. (well, most of an arm anyway)
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It also states that the experience of witnessing this Beyonder's arm made him go insane!
It's the only depiction we eve saw, until Hickman's mind came into play.
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The High Evolutionary "witnesses a sight that renders him speechless"
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The H.E. is pretty powerful,
but more importantly is how much he knows
and how much he's seen in the Cosmos, ... and that's practically everything.
Anyway, he goes insane from realizing how grand the BeyonderS are, and immediately decides to kill himself: 😂
He can't kill himself, so he succeeds by having the Hulk bash him out of his armor:
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In the end, his "god-like" techno-armor reforms him completely, and he regains his sanity.
The cool thing here is, the H.E. considers the BeyonderS the pinnacle of the Cosmos,
and uses them as a reference point to what Mankind has to surpass via evolution to rule the Cosmos.
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The H.E. isn't just a human mind btw. He's evolved far beyond humanity.
The H.E. only saw an arm of a Beyonder,
and it was enough to drive him insane to the point of killing himself.
I think the writer was trying to make a point here you feel me?
Especially how he points out that the H.E. seen all kinds of cosmic crazy
and taken it in stride ... until he sees this.
I also don't think it was just the,
seemingly lightyears spanning sized arm that drove him mad,
it was actually the realization of how far more grandiose the BeyonderS were next to him.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Be that as it may, the thread SPECIFICALLY says NEW Beyonders (not my emphasis). So scans of 1980 Beyonders, as interesting as they are, aren't quite pertinent.
Thread OP seems to be locking it down to a specific storyline of Beyonder. Who have one high showing (killing LT) and one low (falling to Thor/Hype).
If I had 50%of my showings of Mxy being him beaten up by Prime, then you could compare the two.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Be that as it may, the thread SPECIFICALLY says NEW Beyonders (not my emphasis). So scans of 1980 Beyonders, as interesting as they are, aren't quite pertinent.
The only difference is when they exit their Realm, their forms are vulnerable to some degree.
But to what degree is the clashing question?
Why did 3 survive (and seemingly unscathed at the end) & killed Eternity/Infinity, all Celestials and LT?
To then be affected at all by less than motes in comparison to the cosmic hierarchy?
... haha, with absolutely no logical explanation for it by Hickman btw.
😐 ... We only have one option here imo, disregard the necessary PIS to move the story forward.
Because we all know after killing the LT, who came as the infinite Multiverse embodied,
Hickman caught himself in a corner with no sensible way to conclude this, ...
... out comes the writing made with a pen dipped in yellow nasty.
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We have to take the Beyonders' (as the race in the Beyond Realm)
historical data and mesh it as best as possible with Hickman's portrayals,
and try and make the best of it I guess.
Like I said, imo, Beyonders inside the Beyond Realm are in a different level than any who come out.
This is best expressed in Kubik and Kosmos' experience
when they travelled outside "all there is" .. they went "Beyond."
BeyonderS were the final stage, the highest order, the most vast, that Kubik and Kosmos came across:
(mind you, they passed by the LT who existed in all multiverses"
Kubik & Kosmos themselves transcended ...
... and Eternity (which represented everything in that story) "dwindled into insignificance" before them.
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Imo, even in Hickman's world this hasn't changed much I think. I said this before:
Owen needing to draw them out is the smoking gun imo.
And ... BeyonderS did seem more ... majestic, when speaking from within the Beyond Realm:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Thread OP seems to be locking it down to a specific storyline of Beyonder. Who have one high showing (killing LT) and one low (falling to Thor/Hype).
If I had 50%of my showings of Mxy being him beaten up by Prime, then you could compare the two.
Originally posted by SquallXActually, that fact was stated at the very end of the same issue, in the 'Origin of Mxy' pages:
What's even worse was that the author of that story clearly didn't do his research, because if he did, he would have known that Mxy's powers are not magic, but an advance form of science that seems like magic to lower life forms.
Paul Dini just got his wires crossed, is all. 👆
Originally posted by CogitoYea, she was screwing with his powers. Iirc he said something about being punch drunk.Prime: "You keep saying stuff, but you aren't doing [b]anything
but keeping Mix...that imp here" [/B]
Whatever she was doing to his power was keeping him there.
Read the other page, "Imp to magic return".
Guess what happened, his magic returned.
Originally posted by Galan007
Actually, that fact was stated at the very end of the same issue, in the 'Origin of Mxy' pages:Paul Dini just got his wires crossed, is all. 👆
Oh God, that made it even worse.
You know Galan, i nominate you to go to DC's headquarters and ask to because the Editor of all comics just so dumb crap like this don't happen!
Also you can't say no since you're nominated. 😮💨
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