Lucifer Vs Thanos (Classic IG)

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Didn't Thanos himself say that the HOTU was way above IG, and even then some claim that that was not omniversal. We all know it was but, to say the IG is now omniversal as well is kinda silly.

The Hotu was well above everything including the LT and every other being combined. The LT also operates in every single timeline and reality at the same level of power. Saying that the IG was inferior is nothing to be alarmed over. Within it's particular reality there was really nothing above the IG. When Warlock was confronted by the LT, their match was inconclusive. I've read people saying that the LT would have won, but I didn't see anything more than Warlock backing off because he didn't want to destroy reality in a fight against the LT.

Lucifer is much more powerful. The IG can't even hurt him.

Originally posted by Stoic
The Hotu was well above everything including the LT and every other being combined. The LT also operates in every single timeline and reality at the same level of power. Saying that the IG was inferior is nothing to be alarmed over. Within it's particular reality there was really nothing above the IG. When Warlock was confronted by the LT, their match was inconclusive. I've read people saying that the LT would have won, but I didn't see anything more than Warlock backing off because he didn't want to destroy reality in a fight against the LT.

I have no problem saying it was inferior but what Mr. Master said was pure lies and bias.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Lucifer, like Michael, are global powers, galactic at best.

Originally posted by Stoic
They're trying to argue that since the IG is limited to working in it's native reality, that this somehow makes it weaker, while other powers can thrive outside of their native reality.

IG stomps.

Originally posted by zopzop
This is the classic IG not that idiot Hickman's version, so their argument is worthless.

IG stomps.

Has it ever been retconned, though? Marvel never had a 'crisis', so surely every IG is the same?

Also, *checks thread OP*

Yeah, Lucy wins this. C'mon, people!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Has it ever been retconned, though? Marvel never had a 'crisis', so surely every IG is the same?

Also, *checks thread OP*

Yeah, Lucy wins this. C'mon, people!

😂

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I have no problem saying it was inferior but what Mr. Master said was pure lies and bias.

👆 he has been doing it for years though, croped scans, out of context (and wrongly understood) quotes, spamming different scans of different timelines to "enhance" a word etc. Just to "enforce" his biased cosmic hierarchy upon others. Old Rabbits can't drop bad habits, or so.

Ignore function is the way to go.

At least we have True Debaters on kmc like Brother Galan, Brother Juntai or Brother Board Walker

Dude, you really need to get off my dick.

I get following me around threads to disagree/refute anything I post out of spite, but daaaaamn!

btw. "brother Galan" doesn't think classic IG is universal ... so 😆

Mentioning BW in the same breath as Galan & Jun? facepalm

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial

Try not to be stupid and bias and the same time, thanks

Let a brother live. Thanx. 👆

So you admit you were trolling, fair enough.👆

Originally posted by Stoic

They're trying to argue that since the IG is limited to working in it's native reality,
that this somehow makes it weaker

And yur correct, the IG is still "all-powerful" within its native reality.

That aside, this is classic IG, which without question was able to function outside 616.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial

So you admit you were trolling, fair enough.

But I won't get used to it. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
Lucifer manipulated the totality of Michael's energy --the literal/actual power of God-- to his whim. The IG isn't hurting a PIS-free Lucifer unless he wants it to.

Nah, this pretty much sums it up.

SO everyone and their Mother agrees that Lucifer wins? Good ^^.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Lucifer, like Michael, are global powers, galactic at best. Though powers of a single planet, perhaps a galaxy, their abilities are limited. Lucifer seems less majestic, maybe because he's the devil but whatevs. IG is easily beyond omniversal in power. That understood, in Lucifer's world the IG would stomp, in a neutral setting the IG wtfstomps!

Both Of the brothers are Multiversal actually.

Just saw the trolling part.

Originally posted by Stoic

When Warlock was confronted by the LT, their match was inconclusive.
I've read people saying that the LT would have won,
but I didn't see anything more than Warlock backing off
because he didn't want to destroy reality in a fight against the LT.

That's massive.

As for the thread, meh, who gives a hershey slit, as always, impossible opinions to prove.
But in Marvel, fact, only the representative power of TOAA was apparently above the IG.

Originally posted by Mr Master
LT would've probably won, being literally the representation of TOAA's power,
but the fact that the LT first had to determine if had the power to beat Warlock, (knowing he had TOAA"s power)
(and further both knowing/seeing the Future) that it would take destroying reality to get the job done.

That's massive.

As for the thread, meh, who gives a hershey slit, as always, impossible opinions to prove.
But in Marvel, fact, only the representative power of TOAA was apparently above the IG.

Raphael: "Michael is a vessel for the Divine Power. If he dies --if that vessel cracks-- the worlds will be scoured clean of life. There will be nothing left.":
http://i.imgur.com/1kUKe5j.jpg

Michael: "There is a power within me. The Dunamis Demiurgos. God's power. When I die, it will pour out of me and overwhelm everything that exists.":
http://i.imgur.com/Yr4a38e.jpg

God: "Michael Demiurgos --spark that expands forever-- ocean of power with no shore.":
http://i.imgur.com/tjg1mkV.jpg

Here we see Michael actually put that power to work...

"Examine your own substance. Or that of anything you see --stars, stones, water, air-- look close enough and you will see Michael's will working there."

"That is impossible! What you suggest, only God can do!"

"He is the Demiurge. God chose him as his second. Now, as God's mark fades and creation falters, Michael renews it moment by moment. He writes God's name afresh on every atom of existence.":
http://i.imgur.com/biVHYbS.jpg

All of that being said, Lucifer effortlessly warped the totality of Michael's Demiurgic power --the literal/actual power of God-- into a physical creation of his own:

...He was also completely unfazed by energies of that magnitude(truly infinite energies) detonating in his face.

So yeah, in a PIS-free environment the IG isn't harming Lucifer unless he wants it to. This certainly doesn't degrade the IG, however. After all, Lucifer possesses infinite will--God's will(literally.) That's how he can do... What he does.

i've truly never understood the issue with this lucifer/ig thing. if a comparison is to be made, it should be lucifer/hotu. why? because both wield parts of the true energy of the 'supreme being'. lucifer possessed the literal WILL of god, and with said will was able to shape the POWER of god. the hotu is the POWER (or some unknown fraction of said power) of god. the hotu is definitively above the ig ergo lucifer is definitively beyond its scope as well. from the very start i've always claimed the ig is a universal power anyway, while lucifer is definitively a multiversal entity, older than the ig, and sourced in a deeper power. lucifer/hotu is a debatable issue. lucifer/ig? i don't see the ig being able to do anything at all to lucifer.

HOTU was the power by which Thanos was able to be able to be everything at every moment.

Just like Michael who renewing every Atom of existence with his power.

Lucifer casually warped the same power.

Lucifer is block level at best. Even Galacticus would stomp him.