Originally posted by abhilegend
Well, we can check how many high showings he has in just last two years.Benched the earth for five days straight.
Threw Brainiac's ship away with J'onn.
Threw Warworld in phantom zone.
Tanked black holes bigger than earth and while weakened flew from the end of the universe to Earth.
Ripped Doomsday apart.
Brought H'el to his knees in two hits.
Beat the shit out of Wraith.
Shattered Phantom Stranger's body.
These are the feats which Heralds do once in a few years.
Also you still haven't explained how he "threw" Warworld into the phantom zone.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Benching virtual earth weight was in 2012. By my math that's the last 3 years you put up.Also you still haven't explained how he "threw" Warworld into the phantom zone.
Batman even says in the last scan that he threw it in the zone.
And Superman 13 was in December 2012. Note that he exceeded that power level later on too.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Cheeky bastard..You Brits still use "cheeky"?
Always.
Originally posted by abhilegendAnd Superman didn't appear in 170 comics in two years. Justice League is since 2011. He didn't appear in it between Forever Evil.
And I'm sure he has more than just the 10 guest appearances I assumed, so swings and roundabouts.
Is 170 appearances bang on correct? No. But it will be in the right ballpark.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Kind of not sure this should stay open, but I'll give it a little while for now.For me, the answer depends on what version you're using. And by that I don't mean PreCrisis, PostCrisis or New 52. I'm talking about the writer that's writing them.
If Grant Morrison is writing Superman, then the answer to the OP is yes. He literally sees Superman as the guardian of "story", and has more often than not put him well and ahead of any of his supposed "peers".
Now, if it's say, Geoff Johns, then the answer is no. Johns' Superman is STILL the top herald in DC, but he's still a herald by the definitions we use on the board.
I don't think it's a question that can be definitively answered, tbh, unless you're willing to accept that Grant Morrison's portrayal of the character is just as valid as say, James "the hack" Robinson, or Dwayne McDuffie's (who by his own admission nerfed Superman for the purposes of the book).
Superman does straddle the line between herald and trans as much if not more often than the others too, I would argue.
Also, keep manga/anime characters out of this.
This is as correct an answer as you can get on this topic.
Originally posted by abhilegendBatman even says in the last scan that he threw it in the zone.
And Superman 13 was in December 2012. Note that he exceeded that power level later on too.
Btw I like how you left out the previous 3 pages that explained hw Warworld was falling towards earth.
Originally posted by abhilegendBatman even says in the last scan that he threw it in the zone.
And Superman 13 was in December 2012. Note that he exceeded that power level later on too.
Batman says that prior to Superman explaining what he did. There's no conclusive proof what actually happened and Pak himself can't even recall it.
He may have literally threw it or not. Nothing is conclusive.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Dude. Warworld was falling towards the earth and then he switched on the phantom zone projector. I can understand if it was ambiguous, but it was flat out clear. Now you post this tidbit with a Superfan harrasing Pak to get him to answer what a fan would like to hear? Ugghh.......Btw I like how you left out the previous 3 pages that explained hw Warworld was falling towards earth.
Batman flat out said Superman threw the Warworld in phantom zone in the very next panel. The portal was automated, the pushing was all Superman.
But I knew you would argue just that.
Originally posted by 80sBaby
Batman says that prior to Superman explaining what he did. There's no conclusive proof what actually happened and Pak himself can't even recall it.He may have literally threw it or not. Nothing is conclusive.
Not that it sucked the world in. The third guy even questions it "he can do that? An entire world" and Supergirl confirms it again.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Batman flat out said Superman threw the Warworld in phantom zone in the very next panel. The portal was automated, the pushing was all Superman.But I knew you would argue just that.
Wow... I mean wow.........
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Wow... This is what I dont get with you. You are basically insulting the intelligence of anyone with a sane mind that read the whole scene. Wow... And then posting a Superfan hounding Pak desperate for crumbs from a scene that was clear cut? It wasnt even ambiguous for crying out loud.Wow... I mean wow.........
So it's "staff of Unimaginable power somehow did it" all over again?
And you wonder why I laugh at you? Batman saying it isn't enough. The writer confirming it again isn't enough.
Only you are.
😂
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
...Batman flat out states he threw it in....
Falling is bolded in Supergirl's speech.