Originally posted by One-Punch
"The whole satellite's [b]falling towards Earth!"
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3724971Falling is bolded in Supergirl's speech. [/B]
What's so hard to understand about it? Are you so desperate now that clear cut character statements are "figure of speech" now?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
...Batman flat out states he threw it in....
That was in response to whether he destroyed it or not. It's not necessarily literal.
I wouldn't say you're wrong if you think he actually threw it in but it's certainly not conclusive. Especially when Superman comes in and clarifies things.
Originally posted by Philosophía
let's simplify this: how many writers would have him be a good match against darkseid? Do you think more than 2 or 3 out of dozens wouldn't?Geoff johns currently has anti monitor and darkseid as peers. Do you think it's a coincidence superman is on apokolips throughout the story, away from them?
Remember how the same geoff had young superman as the go to guy for fighting him in the early jla?
I'm gonna say straight off I haven't read the book, so I honestly can't speak too much on feats or showings in it obviously.
It is Johns though, so I feel confident in saying that I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up having Superman get involved. Johns, as great a writer as he is (and he is genuinely one of my favourites, and I'll defend him as such), has a tendency to let the story take precedence over the characters and to drive the characters far more than it should.
Though seeing as we're on the subject, I feel I should rant a bit. I know you and I don't always see eye to eye on what the right portrayal is of the character, but I've never gotten the impression from you that you didn't "get" the character. At least in terms of how I see it, anyway.
Reading threads on KMC, I see a lot of people and within one or two posts regarding the character, I just know that they're not looking at it in what I would see is the proper way, and their appreciation for the character, or at least their understanding, is a tad flawed.
Take the holding back thing.
Any time it's brought up that Superman holds back, what's the first thing you hear? Oh, Thor does that too. Surfer holds back just as much. If J'onn wanted to he could f*cking end Superman so easily.
To me, it's one of those things that displays a fundamental misunderstanding of the character, and it makes me less likely to take seriously what they're saying in the first place.
Do these characters hold back? Of course they do. Thor doesn't try to cave a person's head in with a hammer the second he meets them. Surfer doesn't try to create black holes in your face. Diana doesn't always try to gut you with a magical sword.
Superman isn't a crime-fighter. Not in the same sense that someone like Batman or Captain America is. He isn't a warrior, like Thor or Wonder Woman. He's not a cop, or a reformed criminal. He's not avenging dead relatives or trying to wrong injustice.
He's literally a guy that started saving people just because he realised that he could, and that if he didn't, who would? Sure, he shares some of his qualities with characters like Spider-Man, The X-Men and even guys like Aquaman and the Inhumans, but for the most part, there isn't another hero in mainstream comics that is the same concept as a whole.
Superman doesn't like fighting. He's not a pacifist, and he recognises a need for violence, but he only uses it as a last resort. When a villain is stomping through midtown or whatever, Superman doesn't wade in throwing punches. He doesn't call them fat or make momma jokes. He doesn't want to beat the piss out of them, and you can see it when he takes point for the League. Sure, there's the inevitable "stand down" moment, but with Superman, it's not a threat. He's not saying "stand down or i'll break your ****ing legs". He's saying "maybe if you stand down, we can talk about this and I can help you" instead.
Superman wants to save everyone. That includes his villains. Sure there are exceptions like Doomsday and Darkseid, but for the most part, even Superman would rather Lex just try to see his point of view and to not be such an insecure ass about everything.
So when people say Superman holds back, if they have what I believe to be a fundamental understanding of the character, then they know it's not the same. Superman doesn't pull his punches in the same way, because Superman's default isn't to punch as hard as he can from the offset. He didn't grow up fighting frost giants or greek gods. He grew up on a farm. He doesn't want to punch you in the face, even if you deserve it. Sure, if he hit you with all of his strength, he would kill you, but his mentality is more like Bruce Banner's than it is Thor's.
Anyway, bleh.
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On topic, sure, you can say that Superman operates at a higher level than heralds. The problem is that doing so makes debates utterly pointless. It's why OWAW is treated separately for threads, as is WBH and that whole worldbreaker arc. A good number of writers over the years have treated Superman like a herald, and if you average it down in a dirty, bloody way, you get someone that's around high herald, low trans, imo.
Is he capable of more? Sure, but the alternative is re-examining his place on the forum in a huge way.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
DS and Aquaman:Cyborg and the white noise cannon:
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Originally posted by celeyhyga17I swear... You constantly have to be corrected. You do know this only makes you look bad.
The planet was falling towards earth, Superman triggered a portal and threw it in there.
What scan is contradicting it? Is it "staff" ching again where you whine for some more pages?
Originally posted by 80sBaby
That was in response to whether he destroyed it or not. It's not necessarily literal.I wouldn't say you're wrong if you think he actually threw it in but it's certainly not conclusive. Especially when Superman comes in and clarifies things.
Superman clarified how the portal was opened. Not that it sucked the planet in. There is not even a mention of it.
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Hate to say it but I can see where an argument can be made on Superman pushing the planet. Celey, look at the second scan you posted and the second panel. Superman states "but now the whole satellite is falling towards Earth". Look at his body. He crashes into the planet (remember that part).
Look at the 5th scan 2nd panel. It shows a close up of the planet burning. Look at the large object that's on fire. Looks like it could be Superman pushing against the planet. Don't know because it isn't clear but it does appear to be an object pushing against the planet.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, let's try to keep from jizzing scans all over the place. This isn't a feat war, it's a discussion. Or at least it should be.
By posting the same scans where the confirmation occurs no less.
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Originally posted by One-Punch
"The whole satellite's [b]falling towards Earth!"
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3724971Falling is bolded in Supergirl's speech. [/B]
Actually reading it again, it's actually Superman himself who's saying War World is falling towards Earth. Not Supergirl.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course it is literal. I'm not sure how you can say otherwise.Superman clarified how the portal was opened. Not that it sucked the planet in. There is not even a mention of it.
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Honestly, if you can't even see how someone could see the scene differently then there's really no point in continuing to talk about it. You've made up your mind and won't even consider anyone else's opinion on it.
But, just for fun, why would he need to say it was sucked in if it was already falling towards the portal/Earth, which we were told? All he'd need to do is open the portal and let it fall in. No pushing or throwing needed.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So what did you even do except posting pointless scans?The planet was falling towards earth, Superman triggered a portal and threw it in there.
What scan is contradicting it? Is it "staff" ching again where you whine for some more pages?
Of course it is literal. I'm not sure how you can say otherwise.Superman clarified how the portal was opened. Not that it sucked the planet in. There is not even a mention of it.
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Originally posted by abhilegend
Is it a discussion? Even when the characters confirm it and the writer reconfirms it, his feats are still being questioned.By posting the same scans where the confirmation occurs no less.
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The writer never confirmed it. He specifically said he couldn't remember the scene clearly and was giving a best guess.
As for the character, as I said earlier, that was Batman explaining that Superman didn't destroy Warworld. It's not like Bruce had a clear view of what was happening up there.
Originally posted by carver9
Hate to say it but I can see where an argument can be made on Superman pushing the planet. Celey, look at the second scan you posted and the second panel. Superman states "but now the whole satellite is falling towards Earth". Look at his body. He crashes into the planet (remember that part).Look at the 5th scan 2nd panel. It shows a close up of the planet burning. Look at the large object that's on fire. Looks like it could be Superman pushing against the planet. Don't know because it isn't clear but it does appear to be an object pushing against the planet.
Originally posted by 80sBaby
Honestly, if you can't even see how someone could see the scene differently then there's really no point in continuing to talk about it. You've made up your mind and won't even consider anyone else's opinion on it.But, just for fun, why would he need to say it was sucked in if it was already falling towards the portal/Earth, which we were told? All he'd need to do is open the portal and let it fall in. No pushing or throwing needed.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Abhi. Warworld was falling towards earth. It looks like it is entering the earth's atmosphere. It suddenly disappears. Now show me where he grabbed the satellite then threw it into the phantom zone.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Good we're getting somewhere. Now how impressive is this so called feat when you push a satellite already hurtling towards your desired target? Get me?
This is lulzworthy.