Is Superman far and away more powerful than Thor and Surfer?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
More like Abhi's 8 high showings out of 70 relevant 'activity' comics, so ~10%. I guess you may have to lump some of the issues together - for example, the Darkseid fight spanned multiple issues.

And if I were to discount comics where Surfer isn't really doing anything (i.e., 'non-activity' comics by your definition) he goes from 30 comics down to like 10 or 12 because he spends the majority of his comics talking. His rate would jump from 26% to something like 66%--which just isn't accurate IMO.

It's easier if we just count all canon comic appearances regardless of whether there's action or no action going on in the issue for each character (whether it's Supes, Hulk, Thor, Surfer or whoever) so that it's equalized and then compare the rates.

But in terms of sheer total amount of high end feats Superman will always have the most. But we can't ignore the fact that he also has far more appearances than any other herald level character. E.g., using your figure he averages 5.6x more appearances than Surfer annually.

Someone like Surfer for example despite having 40 years of history only averages something like ~15 comic appearances a year, some of these are just flashbacks or one-panel appearances. Superman sometimes has more appearances in 2 weeks than Surfer does in a year lol.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Superman BROKE Thor in direct combat!

Superman is CLEARLY a tier above Thor!

Stop posting scans.

Originally posted by carver9
I disagree. The world hates him right now except a handful of people. That psychic energy wouldn't exist during this time which makes the ft irrelevant.

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Originally posted by -Pr-
The scans could be interpreted either way, but what Pak said should at least make people lean towards him pushing it in.

So my original statement stands.

Also, if people can't be civil, this'll end up closed.

It keeps the Ownage thread clean. It's serving a good purpose and is still somewhat a character pitted against character.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Stop posting scans.

WATCH YOUR TONE, UNDERLING!!!

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Nooooo please...

It keeps the Ownage thread clean. It's serving a good purpose and is still somewhat a character pitted against character.

If people stick to the discussion, I have no problem keeping it open.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
[B]WATCH YOUR TONE, UNDERLING!!! [/B]

You do realise it would take one PM from me and you'd be banned, right?

Originally posted by SquallX
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The truth can be funny sometimes.

LoB, hold peace.

This will make your defeat and subsequent eruption of anger all the funnier.

Originally posted by carver9
I always thought of this and I agree with you 100%.

you dirty, 2-timing.... pick a kmc deity to worship at the feet of already.

Originally posted by One-Punch
I think defining what constitutes as "relevant activity comics" is too subjective and too much work. You'd have to go through all 170 comic appearances and determine which ones you wouldn't count based on whether there's any 'action' going on in them.

And if I were to discount comics where Surfer isn't really doing anything (i.e., 'non-activity' comics by your definition) he goes from 30 comics down to like 10 or 12 because he spends the majority of his comics talking. His rate would jump from 26% to something like 66%--which just isn't accurate IMO.

It's easier if we just count all canon comic appearances regardless of whether there's action or no action going on in the issue for each character (whether it's Supes, Hulk, Thor, Surfer or whoever) so that it's [b]equalized and then compare the rates.

But in terms of sheer total amount of high end feats Superman will always have the most. But we can't ignore the fact that he also has far more appearances than any other herald level character. E.g., using your figure he averages 5.6x more appearances than Surfer annually.

Someone like Surfer for example despite having 40 years of history only averages something like ~15 comic appearances a year, some of these are just flashbacks or one-panel appearances. Superman sometimes has more appearances in 2 weeks than Surfer does in a year lol. [/B]

It goes both ways. You can't compare a pure number of high-end feats the both of them have because Superman's far greater number of appearances skew the comparison.

At the same time, Surfer's (very) limited number of appearances means that his high end feat rate is also going to be skewed to some degree.

Never mind the fact that there's more to comparing characters than just feats.

Originally posted by leonidas
you dirty, 2-timing.... pick a kmc deity to worship at the feet of already.

😂 😂

Originally posted by carver9
The truth can be funny sometimes.

Go back and read what you wrote, then you might understand why I found it funny.

Originally posted by One-Punch
I think defining what constitutes as "relevant activity comics" is too subjective and too much work. You'd have to go through all 170 comic appearances and determine which ones you wouldn't count based on whether there's any 'action' going on in them.

And if I were to discount comics where Surfer isn't really doing anything (i.e., 'non-activity' comics by your definition) he goes from 30 comics down to like 10 or 12 because he spends the majority of his comics talking. His rate would jump from 26% to something like 66%--which just isn't accurate IMO.

It's easier if we just count all canon comic appearances regardless of whether there's action or no action going on in the issue for each character (whether it's Supes, Hulk, Thor, Surfer or whoever) so that it's [b]equalized and then compare the rates.

But in terms of sheer total amount of high end feats Superman will always have the most. But we can't ignore the fact that he also has far more appearances than any other herald level character. E.g., using your figure he averages 5.6x more appearances than Surfer annually.

Someone like Surfer for example despite having 40 years of history only averages something like ~15 comic appearances a year, some of these are just flashbacks or one-panel appearances. Superman sometimes has more appearances in 2 weeks than Surfer does in a year lol. [/B]

For example you could add all of Surfer's high showings you listed into one and it would still fall short of Superman fighting a 5-D imp for a whole issue on every plane of existence while suffering from kryptonite of every variety.

Heck, he survived attacks from Multitude that killed a 5-D imp. He channeled enough energy through himself to destroy the same weapon AND burn out Vyndktvx arm. All of these happened back to back.

For all his space cheese, Surfer failed to have any effect on Galactus at all. He was helpless against Nightmare. Heck, he was helpless against Warrior One.

Originally posted by carver9
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16636621/Indestructible_Hulk_13_010.jpg.html

I'm seeing the blade on him. Are you blind? It even mentions in this scan that they said the walls were impenetrable and BK was right there (with the blade in his possession). They tried to breach the wall and failed. You thinking BK kicked at the wall makes you, how can I say it, not so smart. I'm done discussing this topic with you because you're stubborn. Anyways, planetary is good but Hulk fts piss on planetary showings. I can derail this thread with his fts but people don't want him in this thread so again, I'm leaving him out. Anymore comments YOU say in regards to this showing will get ignored bro and of course Hulk can't punch time. Who said he could?

So you have nothing which shows ebony blade failing to cut the wall?

Good.

Originally posted by carver9
Sigh, i just saw this...Yeah JBL does get a little extreme, but as far as darthgoober goes I'm pretty sure his official stance for years has been that Surfer wins 8-9) out of 10 against Supes. And the reason no one argued is just because no one wanted to debate against darth... he was arguably in a league all his own as a debater ESPECIALLY when it came to Surfer or Captain America(I'm pretty sure he also challenged the whole forum to a Cap vs Spidey debate and no one accepted that either). You should understand that better than anyone, just look at the meltdown he caused in his last battlezone with a single post lol . Not that it's anything to be embarrassed about, that's just how darth rolls.

If that was the greatest debater here, I pity this site.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So you have nothing which shows ebony blade failing to cut the wall?

Good.
Haha, meltdown? He was flat out trolling with appeals to judges to ignore my arguments. But of course you give him the hand jobs.

If that was the greatest debater here, I pity this site.

You're right. Black Knight punched and kicked the wall. He never decided to pull out his greatest weapon to get into a building that he said he failed at getting into.

Originally posted by carver9
You're right. Black Knight punched and kicked the wall. He never decided to pull out his greatest weapon to get into a building that he said he failed at getting into.

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Originally posted by leonidas
lol

i may throw up a little.... and i'd have taken on that cap/spidey debate without a second's doubt.

What makes Superman so powerful is his ridiculous strength, hv, and ridiculous speed combination. These 3 powers, which are on crazy levels, make Superman the most formidable Herald.

Surfer has the better versatility. But on average his blasts don't do much against Herald level characters. I could be wrong but it seems that Superman's hv is very potent against all heralds. I don't recall seeing a Herald no sell it.

Surfer has combat speed (not quite on Superman's level though in close quarters) , but not the physical strength when the fight becomes close range. He would get dominated by both Thor and Superman in close physical fights.

Thor has versatility too and is somewhat stronger than Surfer but he lacks speed of of other two.

In conclusion, I believe that superior speed and physicality could beat the versatility edge any day of the week and this is what allows Superman to straddle the Trans level more often than others.

As a literary figure, and superhero archetype, Superman does indeed hold a special place in the genre. The Thought Robot concept highlighted this (who else would get such Always-Saves-The-Day regard?). Plus (as someone once perceptively pointed out), because DC doesn't have the detailed cosmic/abstract hierarchy of Marvel, Superman -- along with his fellow Justice Leaguers -- has often had to function in an above-herald capacity for the story to go on. But, like other heroes, Superman has also had his share of less impressive showings.

Bottom line: comics are a business; over time multiple writers handle the same character differently; and stories are fashioned to maximize sales. Thus the inconsistency of character power levels, and why Versus threads generate such varied and intriguing interpretations of who would beat who.

Ergo, I go with averages. And as has been said before, by others, I regard Superman, Thor and Surfer as more/less equals with differing strength/weakness profiles.

Originally posted by Mindship
As a literary figure, and superhero archetype, Superman does indeed hold a special place in the genre. The Thought Robot concept highlighted this (who else would get such Always-Saves-The-Day regard?). Plus (as someone once perceptively pointed out), because DC doesn't have the detailed cosmic/abstract hierarchy of Marvel, Superman -- along with his fellow Justice Leaguers -- has often had to function in an above-herald capacity for the story to go on. But, like other heroes, Superman has also had his share of less impressive showings.

Bottom line: comics are a business; over time multiple writers handle the same character differently; and stories are fashioned to maximize sales. Thus the inconsistency of character power levels, and why Versus threads generate such varied and intriguing interpretations of who would beat who.

Ergo, I go with averages. And as has been said before, by others, I regard Superman, Thor and Surfer as more/less equals with differing strength/weakness profiles.

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