master Zao vs Yoda, philosophical discussion only

Started by redpill13 pages

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Right, you seem to be ignoring the fact however that the Separatists =/= Sith, Dooku is a Sith yes, but then again they only discovered that halfway through the Battle of Geonosis, and by that point they were already committed to a political conflict. Not only that, but said relevation coincided with the knowledge that the Republic had been infiltrated by a Sith Lord, something they decide to overlook.

So lets not pretend this is a black and white conflict between good and evil, it is not.

Next you talk about serving the Republic as if the Separatists were not made up almost exclusively of former Republic senators who wanted to put a stop to the corruption. Don't the Jedi have any loyalty to them, to the people they represent? And doesn't their oath to the Republic represent more than blind obedience? Doesn't it have something more to do with, I don't know, the ideals being moved further and further away from? Like Obi-Wan says his allegiance is to democracy first and foremost, something ironically the Separatists demonstrated superior ability in, and certainly practiced. Honestly you are beginning to sound like Anakin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPCXHnH23Cc&t=0m34s

Who even a child could see speaks out of ignorance and bigotry.

This isn't like any conflict the Jedi have been involved in before, this is a schism, a practical civil war were both sides have claim to "right".

Finally you talk of apathy, which is doubly ironic as that is not only exactly the path they took, by going along with the whole conflict and largely ignoring and so failing to act on the Sith threat until it was far too late, but it's the opposite of what I suggested. Being that by extracting themselves from the politics, the Jedi Order could actively resolve the real issues. You know like:
[list=1][*]Ending the war which they knew was aiding the Sith/dark side, something Heroes on Both Sides demonstrates could have easily been accomplished.

[*]Hunting down the Sith and putting a stop to the Sith, which when they finally get off their asses and attempt to results in them cornering and almost capturing Darth Sidious in pretty short order.[/list=1]If they have focused on these two objectives, they could have stopped the Grand Plan in its tracks, rather than apathetically allowing themselves to play the parts the Sith intended, despite being in possession of so many of the facts.

i agree with a lot of what is stated here.

separatists were former republic senators yet yoda in his infinite wisdom had ZERO jedi representing them

Originally posted by redpill
i agree with a lot of what is stated here.

Which means by default Beni is wrong, kek

You act as if you don't think Beni is wrong by default as it is.

Originally posted by Aurbere
You act as if you don't think Beni is wrong by default as it is.

This thread is ****ing stupid

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Which means by default Beni is wrong, kek
Originally posted by Aurbere
You act as if you don't think Beni is wrong by default as it is.

i agree with beni that the separatists were formerly republic states so if the jedi "swore" to uphold the republic, then separatists need to be upheld.

yet separatist had zero official jedi representation

a lack of vision and wisdom and oversight on the part of the jedi high council

Originally posted by Emperordmb
This thread is ****ing stupid
water is wet, rocks are hard, ahsoka is queen, gays are fabulous

Originally posted by Aurbere
You act as if you don't think Beni is wrong by default as it is.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
This thread is ****ing stupid
u mad bro 😠

what would you say to beni that separatists are republic so jedi like mace windu should also represent separtists

I can't speak for dmb, but I'll just say that I've officially changed my stance on Beni being more credible than LeGenD.

It doesn't matter if they were former republic senators. They left the republic and thus weren't entitled to any Jedi services.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
water is wet, rocks are hard, ahsoka is queen, gays are fabulous

obi wan said his allegiance is to democracy. separatists practiced a form of democracy of sorts. so his allegiance should be to the separtists. the republic was no longer a democracy it was a dictatorship

Originally posted by Emperordmb
It doesn't matter if they were former republic senators. They left the republic and thus weren't entitled to any Jedi services.
from a certain point of view the republic left them. which is of course the truth. republic was a dictatorship. it takes wisdom to know this.

I'm too ****ing hungover to deal with you right now.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
This thread is ****ing stupid
have you ever watched star wars?

you are aware in the movies and in the comics tcw they have discussions of philosophy wisdom democracy loyalty the republic politics and how they all shape one another.

of these zao and quinlan are 2 jedis who come closest with bariss offee a close third. even pong krell saw things were in for a big change

You literally picked a guy who didn't do jack shit to help the galaxy and three people who got completely ****ed over by their choices to betray the republic as your examples of wisdom.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
You literally picked a guy who didn't do jack shit to help the galaxy and three people who got completely ****ed over by their choices to betray the republic as your examples of wisdom.

what did the republic do to the jedi during order 66 and afterwards?

was that wise?

you are aware 2 arc troopers attempted to kill yoda on kashykk

no clone trooper recognized zao as a jedi.

why is that. what decisions did yoda make that made him in the cross hairs vs zao

Why do I get the feeling redpill thinks the Jedi would have never been killed off if they followed Zao? mmm

Originally posted by Aurbere
Why do I get the feeling redpill thinks the Jedi would have never been killed off if they followed Zao? mmm
well yeah basically. the grand plan would not have unfolded the way it did if jedi were NOT generals. and why should jedi prefer republic over separtists?

should jedi serve the empire since that was the republic? the rebels are like sepratists

Originally posted by Aurbere
Why do I get the feeling redpill thinks the Jedi would have never been killed off if they followed Zao? mmm

It might be because redpill is retarded.