Rogers and Bucky vs Ironman

Originally posted by FrothByte
It really depends on the scenario though. If we're thinking exact same scene we saw in that trailer, they were in a pretty tiny room which means IM isn't as maneuverable. OP also states he cannot fly.

For IM to utilize his missiles he needs to create distance because he needs time to get those in place. But when Bucky and Cap (who are both far faster on the ground than IM is) are both up in his face whacking him with considerable strength, I doubt he'll have enough time to get his missiles to bear.

Even his repulsor blasts take a split second to charge up and fire, and from what we see in the trailer Cap and Bucky are just all over him that he's unable to take a proper shot.

So we need to figure out how this match starts. Are they at distance? Then IM can unleash his full arsenal. Are they face to face? Then IM probably doesn't get a chance to use his weaponry properly and will need to resort to h2h.

While I agree completely with the scenario being a factor, my main point is that people are jumping to conclusions while not knowing the full context of the actual fight. In the particular scene from the trailer, what stops IM from just going ham, flying out of there and blow the building apart? His friendship (or former friendship) with Cap.

Same reason why Thor simply did not tear IM apart. PIS.

But like we said, as per OP IM can't fly in this match. So there goes that option.

One thing Cap and Bucky do have going for them that helps them a lot is that, based just already from what we see in the trailer, they are very good at fighting together as a team and keeping the pressure on their opponent. That being said, Iron Man is still much stronger than either of those two, and should simply be able to outmuscle them at least long enough to get one of his heavier weapons into play.

Originally posted by Utrigita
While I agree completely with the scenario being a factor, my main point is that people are jumping to conclusions while not knowing the full context of the actual fight. In the particular scene from the trailer, what stops IM from just going ham, flying out of there and blow the building apart? His friendship (or former friendship) with Cap.

Ironman can't fly in this battle. I though I made this clear.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
One thing Cap and Bucky do have going for them that helps them a lot is that, based just already from what we see in the trailer, they are very good at fighting together as a team and keeping the pressure on their opponent. That being said, Iron Man is still much stronger than either of those two, and should simply be able to outmuscle them at least long enough to get one of his heavier weapons into play.

I agree about IM outmuscling them, but it's kinda hard for IM to outmuscle either one of them if he can't land a hit. Heck from the trailer it seems like he couldn't even launch an attack before he gets hit again.

Adding in this, for all we know buckys arm is just as strong or stronger then iron mans and there is no reason to assume otherwise. We see it can rip his arc reactor out.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Ironman can't fly in this battle. I though I made this clear.

I'm aware hence why I mentioned the trailer, which I also made quite clear.

"In the particular scene "from the trailer"

Yes whatever CIS is involved is great and all but point stands he's in his best suit and they taking him down.

I see all these missile posts, it was pretty obvious that cap and bucky picked a place for tactical advantage so there is that. And this is not impossible for the team, just very difficult.

In the same scenario as trailer, they can win. Out inopen, even without flight he should decimate.

And with the rockets, Im no expert but I am a Marine who is somewhat familiar with explosives and such. Most consist of a launch motor, flight motor, guidance system and warhead. The warheads are usually rigged to be unable to explode until a certain distance has been covered so they probably wouldnt work in that scenario assuming Tony's rockets are like conventional ones.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I agree about IM outmuscling them, but it's kinda hard for IM to outmuscle either one of them if he can't land a hit. Heck from the trailer it seems like he couldn't even launch an attack before he gets hit again.

He doesn't really need to hit them. With the strength he has, just a very hard shove should do it. As I mentioned in another thread, even Tony's suitcase armour is strong enough that he can kick a car with enough force to send it skidding several yards. One of his weakest suits, based on what we are shown, yet it still displays significantly greater strength than either Bucky or Steve have up to this point. At the end of the day, Tony still has the advantage in strength, durability and weapons, even if it is two-on-one and in an enclosed environment.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I see all these missile posts, it was pretty obvious that cap and bucky picked a place for tactical advantage so there is that. And this is not impossible for the team, just very difficult.

In the same scenario as trailer, they can win. Out inopen, even without flight he should decimate.

And with the rockets, Im no expert but I am a Marine who is somewhat familiar with explosives and such. Most consist of a launch motor, flight motor, guidance system and warhead. The warheads are usually rigged to be unable to explode until a certain distance has been covered so they probably wouldnt work in that scenario assuming Tony's rockets are like conventional ones.

Given that it is Stark, the chances are more than likely that they do not actually work in the conventional manner. And even if they do, it would be a lot like Tony to put in some kind of failsafe override to circumvent that in case of emergencies.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Yes whatever CIS is involved is great and all but point stands he's in his best suit and they taking him down.

It's a bit early to make that claim IMO. We see a few seconds from a larger fight, without any context, from a movie that only comes out next year. For all we know the very next moment after they had cut away in the trailer, Tony knocks them both back, or nails one with a proper repulsor blast etc. or alternatively, the very next combined hits from Bucky and Cap KO him. We don't know how that fight pans out yet.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
No, the mini missiles he fired to destroy like half a dozen Chitauri fliers at once during the New York fight in Avengers.

Around 1:30 mark

YouTube video

Forgot about that. Yeah, he has plenty of ranged options.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
It's a bit early to make that claim IMO. We see a few seconds from a larger fight, without any context, from a movie that only comes out next year. For all we know the very next moment after they had cut away in the trailer, Tony knocks them both back, or nails one with a proper repulsor blast etc. or alternatively, the very next combined hits from Bucky and Cap KO him. We don't know how that fight pans out yet.

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Trailer is PIS. Rogers and Bucky can't hurt Iron Man, hand beams will do the trick.

Originally posted by Placidity
Trailer is PIS. Rogers and Bucky can't hurt Iron Man, hand beams will do the trick.

Oh coarse they can, the first generation whiplash suit hurt him..

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Oh coarse they can, the first generation whiplash suit hurt him..

And Rogers and bucky each have a mechanized suit, that can cut a F1 car apart in a single strike and burn through concrete? Even then the inferior Iron Man suit toke three direct hits (without damage to Tony) and a prolonged exposure when Tony wrapped the cables around his suit to get close to Whiplash, still without damage on the inside.

Oh and buckys arm is chopped liver?😂

Originally posted by Placidity
Trailer is PIS. Rogers and Bucky can't hurt Iron Man, hand beams will do the trick.

How is it PIS? Both caps shield and buckys arm are stonger than IM. Not only that, them rocking Tony back and forth should be able to knock his ass out with or without suit.

Usually when a combatant is massively outclassed then I vote against them. This duo can pull it off, not all the time. But Tony is not a great fighter, hes arrogant and...yeah.

Team 4/10

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
buckys arm

No, it isn't.

Ironman.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Oh and buckys arm is chopped liver?😂

Did I imply that? No, I'm pointing out that using whiplash as a measuring stick from my perspective is wrong, since neither cap or Bucky has access to it or even something similar. But I guess you have a scene of Buckys arm cutting a car in half?