Rogers and Bucky vs Ironman

Originally posted by Utrigita
Did I imply that? No, I'm pointing out that using whiplash as a measuring stick from my perspective is wrong, since neither cap or Bucky has access to it or even something similar. But I guess you have a scene of Buckys arm cutting a car in half?

Cap's fists and arms are strong enough to punch through a submarine window, tear a log in half with minimal effort, and hold a car from falling off a cliff. Bucky's mechanized arm is even stronger.

While a hit or two won't do serious damage to IM, he'll definitely feel them. And repeated blows can damage IM.

The only chance, Cap has is to properly utilize his shield before, IM separates it from him. Once, IM divorces Cap from his shield,it's game over for, Cap. As for Bucky, well he doesn't have a shield made of Vibranium so he's nothing more than a distraction. No matter how durable Cap is, IMs arsenal is more than enough to kill him ten times over. I think Cap is a better strategist and fighter but all of that means dick if he doesn't have a shield to defend himself with.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No, it isn't.

Sorry, what I should have said is his arm as just as durable so far and strong enough that his fingers were digging into starks suit. So bucky may not be as stong, but the armbitself seems to be as capable as IM's

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
The only chance, Cap has is to properly utilize his shield before, IM separates it from him. Once, IM divorces Cap from his shield,it's game over for, Cap. As for Bucky, well he doesn't have a shield made of Vibranium so he's nothing more than a distraction. No matter how durable Cap is, IMs arsenal is more than enough to kill him ten times over. I think Cap is a better strategist and fighter but all of that means dick if he doesn't have a shield to defend himself with.

Ok question: How is IM going to divorce Cap from his shield or even hit Bucky when both are plenty fast and skilled enough to duck and dodge his blows? He'll also be preoccupied getting pummeled by Cap and Bucky, because let's face it: IM is durable but he's not so durable that he can simply ignore and brush off those attacks.

The only way for him to utilize his full arsenal is to create distance, but that would be pretty hard to do since he's not allowed to fly in this match and he's not exactly a fast runner.

IM's flight is part of what makes him so mobile and agile. Without it he's pretty clunky. Thor had no problem avoiding IM's hits when he didn't use his propulsion system, and I'm pretty sure Cap and Bucky are faster than Thor.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok question: How is IM going to divorce Cap from his shield or even hit Bucky when both are plenty fast and skilled enough to duck and dodge his blows? He'll also be preoccupied getting pummeled by Cap and Bucky, because let's face it: IM is durable but he's not so durable that he can simply ignore and brush off those attacks.

The only way for him to utilize his full arsenal is to create distance, but that would be pretty hard to do since he's not allowed to fly in this match and he's not exactly a fast runner.

IM's flight is part of what makes him so mobile and agile. Without it he's pretty clunky. Thor had no problem avoiding IM's hits when he didn't use his propulsion system, and I'm pretty sure Cap and Bucky are faster than Thor.

Cap has proved to be frivolous in the decisions he makes with his shield ( in the movies). Either way, it would only be a matter of time before, Stark would bait Cap into making a poor decision. If that didn't work, he could just catch it. Cap is always getting separated from his shield in the movies, but that's a good thing because it proves he doesn't need to rely on a single object to be relevant.

As for, IMs durability we can argue all of the inconsistencies that have been shown in the movies, but one thing we can't argue is that he has been able to take on a raged out, Hulk. Regardless of how strong, Cap and Bucky are, there is no way they are going to peak, Iron Mans endurance levels with their bare fists.

Just because, Iron Man, can't fly doesn't mean he can't use his propulsion to dodge. Either, way, i don't think he needs to. You suggest that he needs to create distance to take advantage of his full arsenal...,why? He's obviously durable enough to tank, rockets. He could simply fire a few rockets in the ground at his feet and quickly KO, Cap and Bucky or atleast daze them enough to where he strangle one to death.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Cap has proved to be frivolous in the decisions he makes with his shield ( in the movies). Either way, it would only be a matter of time before, Stark would bait Cap into making a poor decision. If that didn't work, he could just catch it. Cap is always getting separated from his shield in the movies, but that's a good thing because it proves he doesn't need to rely on a single object to be relevant.

As for, IMs durability we can argue all of the inconsistencies that have been shown in the movies, but one thing we can't argue is that he has been able to take on a raged out, Hulk. Regardless of how strong, Cap and Bucky are, there is no way they are going to peak, Iron Mans endurance levels with their bare fists.

Just because, Iron Man, can't fly doesn't mean he can't use his propulsion to dodge. Either, way, i don't think he needs to. You suggest that he needs to create distance to take advantage of his full arsenal...,why? He's obviously durable enough to tank, rockets. He could simply fire a few rockets in the ground at his feet and quickly KO, Cap and Bucky or atleast daze them enough to where he strangle one to death.

When has IM ever taken on an enraged Hulk with his normal armor? He doesn't have his hulkbuster armor in this round.

And who said anything about Bucky and Cap hitting IM with their bare fists? Cap is using his shield and Bucky is using his robot arm.

You'd have to provide a feat of IM's rockets going off in point blank range. I don't think rockets and missiles work like that. I'll leave it up to the OP to determine whether "no flying" means no propulsion systems at all. But if IM is completely grounded in this fight without propulsion, he'll have an extremely hard time finding an opening with both Cap and Bucky unloading on him.

Lol at people thinking he gets his hulk buster armor here.

Good call froth.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Cap's fists and arms are strong enough to punch through a submarine window, tear a log in half with minimal effort, and hold a car from falling off a cliff. Bucky's mechanized arm is even stronger.

While a hit or two won't do serious damage to IM, he'll definitely feel them. And repeated blows can damage IM.

While that is all well and good it doesn't change that comparing Whiplash, who's whole thing was cutting, to Cap and Bucky that are mainly using blunt force doesn't seem the best comparison imho.

Oh well, somehow they are taking him down so you are low balling their strength, and like I said you are not giving Buckys arm the credit it deserves.

Exactly - somehow.

In comics, his armor was already messed up during the final confrontation.

Vision? EMP? Too early to guess right.

Bucky's arm can't do shit to IM, as seen in comics. It can knock him around a bit at best, because he doesn't weigh much.

Yea in the comics for sure, but here it's right up there.

We don't know the context.

The context is me up ur ass

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Using that bionic arm while carrying the shield is the best chance they've got.

I'd like to see the arm detach from WS - yes, it can do that in the books - and get Tony by surprise...

I'm sure they are going to use their brains first against overconfident Tony.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Oh well, somehow they are taking him down so you are low balling their strength, and like I said you are not giving Buckys arm the credit it deserves.

Did I say anything to even imply that? No. I said that Whiplash isn't comparable, for various reasons, unless ofcause you have footage of Bucky using his arm to cut a car in half.

Rogers/Bucky punching the suit doesn't actually hurt Tony at all even if it looks like he is bucking under their blows.

Tony was hit by a tank round in his Mark III from the first movie and it didn't hurt him. His suit has since been taking hits far beyond what Rogers/Bucky can produce.

Lets get back to reality, Iron Man is several tiers above these street levellers.

Street levellers? I wouldn't call being able to easily lift and hold a motorcycle with 3 women anove your head as street level. Neither is holding a car from falling off a cliff or tearing a log with your bare hands.

Yes Captain America is a street leveller, even by comic book standards, which is stronger than movie.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t577922.html

Originally posted by Placidity
Yes Captain America is a street leveller, even by comic book standards, which is stronger than movie.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t577922.html

Comicbook Cap is not in discussion here. We're talking movie Cap. And though Comicbook Cap has more feats, he doesn't have as impressive strength feats as movie Cap. CBM Cap is peak human, just like Batman. Movie Cap has legit superhuman strength. Not that high, but still superhuman.

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Both comic and movie versions of Steve Rogers are low meta, actually. There is NO definition of "street leveler", actually - even Spider-Man or Wolverine get called that. So nothing to get butthurt about.

Anyway, even with Cap being a low meta, Plac is right - Stark is still several tiers above him.