Rogers, Bucky, Khan vs Sideous

Originally posted by Placidity
According to your interpretation which disallows any possibility of Sidious having foresight, which is unreasonable given that:

"Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design."

You can poke holes in this if you try hard enough, and while clearly Sidious' clairvoyance is not infallible, but the evidence is there.

Even getting his face melted may have been intentional. The appearance of his scars alone to the Senate would have carried emotional impact and justification for his declaration against the Jedi. Sidious is a master of manipulation.

" The attempt on my life has left me scarred and deformed, but I assure you my resolve has never been stronger. "

He just used the tools he had to his advantage. Absence of evidence isn't evidence.

Palpatine used the scars to his advantage but at no point did the film allude your conjecture.

lol Quan your a joke man, Sidious; like all Force users has pre cog, his is noticeably better than most any other Force user other than Yoda, how can you sit there and try to argue that these regular, albeit enchanted humans would be a match for Sidious when he has easily defeated Jedi and Sith that dwarf these three in reflex and speed abilities.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was arrogant and let time pass. Two seconds and that amount of time will get him killed.

They had the chance to fire they didn't. Khan will.

So you have no proof right out of the gate he will attack without mercy as you claimed. You haven't proven that and we have seen Ventress force choke Anakin and Kenobi thus decimating your laughable claim.

Khan guns him down as he casually walks in his direction.

You would have to prove that same two seconds will happen here. Show the proof for it.

Above.

Choking out two mandalorians seem proof enough. We also see Dooku take Anakins TK Storm. Laughable I think not.

I take it this is ROTJ Sidious

A little something on his precog/farsight

Sidious senses that Darth Vader is in danger:

The image tilted its head, its smile twisting without transition to a scowl. "Lord Vader—I sense a disturbance in the Force. You may be in danger."

He glanced at the mirror flash outside; he knew that ship. In danger of being kissed to death, perhaps...

"How should I be in danger, Master?"

"I cannot say. But the danger is real; be mindful."

Be mindful, be mindful, he thought with a mental sneer. Is that the best you can do? I could get that much from Obi-Wan... "I will, my Master. Thank you." The image faded. He got to his feet, and now the sneer was on his lips and in his eyes. "You're the one who should be mindful, my 'Master.' I am a disturbance in the Force."

Source: Revenge of the Sith
Clone troops were already swarming into it. "It was Yoda," he said as he swung out of the pod. "Another assassination attempt. Find him and kill him. If you have to, blow up the building." He didn't have time to direct the search personally. The Force hummed a warning in his bones: Lord Vader was in danger. Mortal danger.

Source: Revenge of the Sith
Sidious nodded and reached out with the dark side, trying to sense where his enemy was hiding. As he did, the feeling of risk grew stronger, and he understood. Not a threat to him, but to his apprentice. He must see to this personally. "Double your search," he told the clone commander, though he doubted they would find anything. He turned to Mas Amedda. "Tell Captain Kagi to prepare my shuttle for immediate takeoff. I sense Lord Vader is in danger."

Source: Revenge of the Sith Junior Novelization
He senses Yoda weakening:

The end came with astonishing suddenness. The shadow could feel how much it cost the little green freak to bend back his lightnings into the cage of energy that enclosed them both; the creature had reached the limits of his strength.

Source: Revenge of the Sith

I take it this is ROTJ Sidious

A little something on his precog/farsight

Sidious senses that Darth Vader is in danger:

The image tilted its head, its smile twisting without transition to a scowl. "Lord Vader—I sense a disturbance in the Force. You may be in danger."

He glanced at the mirror flash outside; he knew that ship. In danger of being kissed to death, perhaps...

"How should I be in danger, Master?"

"I cannot say. But the danger is real; be mindful."

Be mindful, be mindful, he thought with a mental sneer. Is that the best you can do? I could get that much from Obi-Wan... "I will, my Master. Thank you." The image faded. He got to his feet, and now the sneer was on his lips and in his eyes. "You're the one who should be mindful, my 'Master.' I am a disturbance in the Force."

Source: Revenge of the Sith
Clone troops were already swarming into it. "It was Yoda," he said as he swung out of the pod. "Another assassination attempt. Find him and kill him. If you have to, blow up the building." He didn't have time to direct the search personally. The Force hummed a warning in his bones: Lord Vader was in danger. Mortal danger.

Source: Revenge of the Sith
Sidious nodded and reached out with the dark side, trying to sense where his enemy was hiding. As he did, the feeling of risk grew stronger, and he understood. Not a threat to him, but to his apprentice. He must see to this personally. "Double your search," he told the clone commander, though he doubted they would find anything. He turned to Mas Amedda. "Tell Captain Kagi to prepare my shuttle for immediate takeoff. I sense Lord Vader is in danger."

Source: Revenge of the Sith Junior Novelization
He senses Yoda weakening:

The end came with astonishing suddenness. The shadow could feel how much it cost the little green freak to bend back his lightnings into the cage of energy that enclosed them both; the creature had reached the limits of his strength.

Source: Revenge of the Sith

Palpatine is aware of a small Rebel force landing on Endor:

Vader rose, as the throne swiveled around, and the Emperor faced him. They made eye contact from light-years and a soul’s breath away. Across that abyss, Vader responded. “My master, a small Rebel force has penetrated the shield and landed on Endor.”

“Yes, I know.” There was no hint of surprise in his tone; rather, fulfillment.

Source: Return of the Jedi
Sidious knows that Luke will attempt to redeem Darth Vader:

Young Luke had tasted the power of the Dark Side through his anger and his fear. Doubt clouded his mind, and he was unsure he could survive another confrontation with his father. Yet he was also sure that there was still good in his father; he was willing to risk everything to attempt to bring it out.

Source: Galaxy Guide 5: Return of the Jedi (Credit to Silver2467)

These are just canon sources. Enter Star Wars versus forum Quan and it will be a much bigger list

Originally posted by relentless1
lol Quan your a joke man, Sidious; like all Force users has pre cog, his is noticeably better than most any other Force user other than Yoda, how can you sit there and try to argue that these regular, albeit enchanted humans would be a match for Sidious when he has easily defeated Jedi and Sith that dwarf these three in reflex and speed abilities.

These guys are all super soldiers. Khan himself kills Palpatine before he monologues. The rest sit back and admire Khan while he does so.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
You would have to prove that same two seconds will happen here. Show the proof for it.

Above.

Choking out two mandalorians seem proof enough. We also see Dooku take Anakins TK Storm. Laughable I think not.

Your clip proves Khan kills him before he does anything. He won't even try to defend himself based off the clip as it'll be over before he knows it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The proof is he doesn't have any defenses up and is just walking. He didn't attack right away without mercy but calmly walked up.

Your clip proves Khan kills him before he does anything. He won't even try to defend himself based off the clip as it'll be over before he knows it.

In that instance in which he is in complete control over. Anyway, that's not proof that the exact same thing is goigm to happen. So where is the proof that what happened between him and the mandalorians will happen again? I'll ask you one more time.

Well, it's not surprising that he appeared not to do anything since Sidious is a master amnipualtor and foresight, so he had control over that situation, and had precog to know they wouldn't shoot. With Khan and the other he will know to just end it and not take chances.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
In that instance in which he is in complete control over. Anyway, that's not proof that the exact same thing is goigm to happen. So where is the proof that what happened between him and the mandalorians will happen again? I'll ask you one more time.

Well, it's not surprising that he appeared not to do anything since Sidious is a master amnipualtor and foresight, so he had control over that situation, and had precog to know they wouldn't shoot. With Khan and the other he will know to just end it and not take chances.

Sidious died like an idiot. Khan killed someone with galactic power and he will do the same to Sidious. He's smarter, more ruthless, and has superior tactical acumen.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he isn't but instead is arrogant and attacks on his own time. You posted the proof and have not one solid piece of evidence that backs your claims. Onus is on you.

Sidious died like an idiot. Khan killed someone with galactic power and he will do the same to Sidious. He's smarter, more ruthless, and has superior tactical acumen.

No he's just that good and is in control of the situation and has his foresight. So you agree that what I posted is proof and since it shows him choking the mandalorian guards outright you agree that proof shows he will choke this team out from the start. You also agree that since this is proof that the guards were already ready, Sidious came down into a "disadvantaged" position and handled them so you agree with everything I do. This debate is over.

All wrong in this one. Sidious took down an entire government, eluded an entire Jedi council powered by the force, deceived Dooki one of the most brilliant people ever, stalemated Yoda and Mace Windu, and is actually better than Windu, speed blitzed 2 Jedi masters who are own the council, and killed another in seconds and could have killed all four very quickly if he so chose to, mastered all dark side powers, is the most powerful Sith of all time, created galactic power, had complete and absolute power, eradicated most of the Jedi, became more powerful during ROTJ, and so much more. Khan doesn't compete.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No he's just that good and is in control of the situation and has his foresight. So you agree that what I posted is proof and since it shows him choking the mandalorian guards outright you agree that proof shows he will choke this team out from the start. You also agree that since this is proof that the guards were already ready, Sidious came down into a "disadvantaged" position and handled them so you agree with everything I do. This debate is over.

All wrong in this one. Sidious took down an entire government, eluded an entire Jedi council powered by the force, deceived Dooki one of the most brilliant people ever, stalemated Yoda and Mace Windu, and is actually better than Windu, speed blitzed 2 Jedi masters who are own the council, and killed another in seconds and could have killed all four very quickly if he so chose to, mastered all dark side powers, is the most powerful Sith of all time, created galactic power, had complete and absolute power, eradicated most of the Jedi, became more powerful during ROTJ, and so much more. Khan doesn't compete.

Sidious hid behind the shadows in a path his previous master set him on. In the end he died because he was downright dense in the slow gradual torture of Luke. The rest is you just saying the same old baseless shit you have always stated.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
No, they were just that bad. He gave Yoda over thirty five seconds to recover because he's an idiot. He also didn't foresee Vader killing him. 😂

Sidious hid behind the shadows in a path his previous master set him on. In the end he died because he was downright dense in the slow gradual torture of Luke. The rest is you just saying the same old baseless shit you have always stated.

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You agreed so it's over.

Doesn't change anything. He makes Khan look like a child trying to play police officer.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
You agreed so it's over.

Doesn't change anything. He makes Khan look like a child trying to play police officer.

Khan killed his oppressor while Palpatine's most trusted 86'd him. Khan always comes out on top in every manner against Sheev.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you thought I agreed with you either didn't read the post or didn't understand it. Both are legit reasons why no one takes you seriously.

Khan killed his oppressor while Palpatine's most trusted 86'd him. Khan always comes out on top in every manner against Sheev.

Well I mean you pretty much did agree, and there is no way around what I said, and since you like to ignore even the most explicit proof, it's obvious that you agreed since you said that the proof I presented, showed everything I said, you just ignore it. It's not my fault you're a troll.

Except in power, intelligence, speed, manipulation, feats and every other regard in the world, except I guess looks. Other than than that Sidious wins. So this debate is over, I win as always, and I guess we shall continue another in the Star Wars versus forum.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Well I mean you pretty much did agree, and there is no way around what I said, and since you like to ignore even the most explicit proof, it's obvious that you agreed since you said that the proof I presented, showed everything I said, you just ignore it. It's not my fault you're a troll.

Except in power, intelligence, speed, manipulation, feats and every other regard in the world, except I guess looks. Other than than that Sidious wins. So this debate is over, I win as always, and I guess we shall continue another in the Star Wars versus forum.

No, in all manners Khan wins. Younger, stronger, smarter, better skill, better weaponry, bigger cock.

You conceded when you posted a two second feat before Palpatine attacked.

I'm honestly not sure why the lightsaber was removed as it doesn't make much of a difference. Especially when Khan has his gun.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I explained in painstaking detail the flaws in your logic, your evidence, and your brain.

No, in all manners Khan wins. Younger, stronger, smarter, better skill, better weaponry, bigger cock.

You conceded when you posted a two second feat before Palpatine attacked.

Actually you haven't since you really haven't explained anything. 😂 Game over.

Youth. Sidious beat maul and savage, those guards, and had Vader afraid to face him by himself and guess what they are all younger. Sidious has the force which will make him stronger. Sidious manipulated an entire government and became emperor, that beats anything Khan has done. Sidious has the power of the force to its highest degrees second only to EU Luke. Well if you mean like physical weapons like his gun vs LIGHTSBAER it's debatable.

You conceded the moment you tried to say that two second feat woudl translate into this battle.

This is has more dynamics then just Khan, how about you stope debating off this like its the Sideous vs Khan thread.

Canon Palpatine, I assume. What timeframe?

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