Manchester Black vs Cassandra Nova

Originally posted by Mindset
Except for the comic having him say he was, that's all the proof I need.

He is trying to shut her down and can't, then she just flings him away like trash with her tk.

If you want to say he's not actually attacking her, you have to show proof of that; the onus is on you, bud. 👆

Comic merely says he thinks he can, then she flings him away. Nothing in the comic says he's actually doing it. If you say he is, then YOU have to prove it, not me.

All the comic says, is that he thinks he can.

Yea, he thinks he can and he can't, because she's too strong. Yea, he's actually trying to do it, he can't.

Nova > Xavier

I have some assignments to turn in by 8, I'll let you pm me a concession to preserve your dignity. 👆

That's ok, my fiancee is in bed wondering why I'm so invested in comic book spats with strange men.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's ok, my fiancee is in bed wondering why I'm so invested in comic book spats with strange men.

no im not.

Originally posted by Galan007
Cerebra still amped Chuck's psychic senses to the tenth power. So even though Cerebra led Cassandra straight to Chuck's mind, it doesn't change the fact that he was still MASSIVELY amped when she mindphucked him initially.

Connection or not, that's impressive.

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Cassandra gets the majority.

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He says he is going to - but we can't know for certain.

Jean was infected by Sentinels from Ecuador (which is what Nova was doing in the first place):
http://postimg.org/image/hjncd69sj/

Scott just dismisses her:
http://postimg.org/image/5ecc3u3o3/

Beast attempts to resist her, and when her attention wavers for a split second due to Beak, Beast breaks free:
http://postimg.org/image/ieo309q8j/

Then Beast/Wolverine flat out resist her, due to being animalistic:
http://postimg.org/image/g9ei155hv/

That does NOT sound like being > 10x Xavier.

...And she wasn't even at full power during that arc.

She did a Number on the Shi'Ar empire. Had Gladiator shit or piss on himself.

Originally posted by "Id"
Had Gladiator shit or piss on himself.

A piece of carver died in that scene. 👆

Black mind phucked with Superman pretty casually, and he has a really good history against tp. Some examples:

1. Brainiac in his "Milton Fine" days was so powerful, he could reach across space from Colu and take possession of psi alien DoubleX on Earth.

Despite this level of power, Superman managed to block him from his thoughts and secrets.

2. Martian Manhunter was unable to locate Superman when he assumed his Clark Kent persona, due to Superman subconsciously blocking all tp invasions to protect his identity. (Under the same writer, he sifted through every mind on Earth for a specific piece of info, which took him about ten seconds..

3. Dreadnaut and Psi Phon simulated power stealing, via Psi Phon shutting a power off, and Dreadnaut copying the power. This even worked on Martian Manhunter and Captain Marvels magic based powers.

Once Supes knew their trick, he was able to concentrate and shield his mind.

There's more examples, but the point is Black went through Supermans defenses like they weren't even there, and made him see whatever he wanted him to see, learn all of his secrets, as he also controlled villains to attack him (Even reversing Bizarro's Bizarroness, so he talked and thought normally.)

Who's harder to mind mess with, Superman or Xavier?

Originally posted by carver9
Who's harder to mind mess with, Superman or Xavier?

Milton Fine Brainiac switched bodies with Doomsday, and reached across dimensions from New Genesis to make everyone on Earth believe Supermans body was still in his tomb. THIS is the guy Superman has in his rogues gallery of telepaths.

And he's not the one who invaded his mind and learned who his loved ones were, before making him watch one die in front of him. Brainiac tried, many times, to get that info, but failed.

Still she plunged the entire empire into chaos. A culture known for having advance psi defenses.

Chester wins. Reprogramming Bizarro and Doomsday >>beating Xavier.

Originally posted by "Id"
Still she plunged the entire empire into chaos. A culture known for having advance psi defenses.

Manchester puts her in a coma.

At the end she was defeated by getting placed in a simple, synthetic brain.

And in Astonishing X Men, it was Emma who was doing all that stuff on X men on post hypnotic suggestions from Nova.

Originally posted by "Id"
She did a Number on the Shi'Ar empire. Had Gladiator shit or piss on himself.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He says he is going to - but we can't know for certain.

Jean was infected by Sentinels from Ecuador (which is what Nova was doing in the first place):
http://postimg.org/image/hjncd69sj/

Scott just dismisses her:
http://postimg.org/image/5ecc3u3o3/

Beast attempts to resist her, and when her attention wavers for a split second due to Beak, Beast breaks free:
http://postimg.org/image/ieo309q8j/

Then Beast/Wolverine flat out resist her, due to being animalistic:
http://postimg.org/image/g9ei155hv/

That does NOT sound like being > 10x Xavier.

Double standards are fun, I guess.

Lol, Nova in the tournament wasn't as controversial in combat as she should have been. Oh, LoB