Originally posted by abhilegend
What?Yes, who is equal to him in power. Not above him by 10th power.
He kicked her out of his body while scattered across billions of mutants.
Much better than using a connection to basically suckershot him.
Not due to psi damper. Rachel is useless anyway.
Originally posted by Smurph
Lowballing, hyperbole, etc.
Reposting, cuz Smurph (sly)...
Originally posted by Galan007
Cerebra amps the mind across the board(Cassandra literally called it a "mind amplifier".) It doesn't just boost its wearer's psychic senses--it boosts their overall psychic power as well:Do I think Cerebra would therefore boost its wearer's psychic defenses? Absolutely.
Originally posted by Galan007
Cerebra amps the mind across the board(Cassandra literally called it a "mind amplifier".) It doesn't just boost its wearer's psychic senses--it boosts their overall psychic power as well:Do I think Cerebra would therefore boost its wearer's psychic defenses? Absolutely.
See, here's what I (IMHO, obviously) believe:
Xavier wasn't in control there.
He/She was making out Nova to be the massive big bad - so that in a last minute maneuver, he had no choice but to shoot Nova in the head.
The X-men will now feel safe. The Big Bad is gone.
Chuck Nova is now free to wreak havoc.
Although, again, I still don't see how it amping his defences 10x (good catch there, btw) negates her connection?
She used a backdoor that no one else knew about, and suckerpunched Xavier when he least expected it (mid-whistle). Yes, Cerebra amps defences (you've convinced me), but it still does not take away the point that she was NOT overpowering his defences. Like attacking his weak points, rather than crushing his defences.
Originally posted by Mindset
Where are you getting cerebra just enhances physic senses, DS?That'd be pretty useless.
Not if it was a sensory device, built to give Xavier global range:
http://postimg.org/image/8qknm8v4j/
Everything that happened in that issue, was the doing of Nova pulling the strings.
They see a flare in Ecuador, Xavier suggests to Henry that he diverts Logan/Cyke there.
They find Nova, and bring her back to their home (after she's managed to get the nano Sentinels).
Once at their home base, she infects them all, to weaken them.
She manages to 'die', and take Xavier's place. Starts outing them to the world, weakening them further etc.
She was pulling the strings for a long while to get her plans in motion. As a prep goddess, she was pretty damn good:
http://postimg.org/image/y5vpurnyr/
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Where Cerebra is concerned, there's also this:
See, here's what I (IMHO, obviously) believe:Xavier wasn't in control there.
He/She was making out Nova to be the massive big bad - so that in a last minute maneuver, he had no choice but to shoot Nova in the head.
The X-men will now feel safe. The Big Bad is gone.
Chuck Nova is now free to wreak havoc.
Although, again, I still don't see how it amping his defences 10x (good catch there, btw) negates her connection?
She used a backdoor that no one else knew about, and suckerpunched Xavier when he least expected it (mid-whistle). Yes, Cerebra amps defences (you've convinced me), but it still does not take away the point that she was NOT overpowering his defences. Like attacking his weak points, rather than crushing his defences.
It amps telepathic powers across the board. 👆
Anyway, when Chuck dons Cerebra, *poof* his mind becomes amplified to the tenth power(this is much different then a simple 10x amp, btw.) That aside, Cassandra may have had a direct connection into Chuck's mind, but in order for her to mind-phuck him the way she did, she would still have to overpower his hugely amplified mind. If she wouldn't have been stronger than him, he would have easily overcome her--direct link or not.
If you put a drop of water on a bonfire, the fire will continue to rage on. Drop a lake on the bonfire, however, and it goes out real quick. Maybe not the best analogy, but I'm sure you understand what I'm saying.
Originally posted by Mindset
Global range for what purpose? It'd just be a glorified telescope.
To find mutants, or perv on them, whatever Xavier wants to see them for.
Btw, another point to make: the later feats by Nova (mindraping Glads despite his armour etc) were actually done using Chuck's brain. Nova controlled it whilst it was empty, sure, but she was using Chuck's body to do it.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85But we know cerebro/cerebra let's them do more than just sense people.
To find mutants, or perv on them, whatever Xavier wants to see them for.Btw, another point to make: the later feats by Nova (mindraping Glads despite his armour etc) were actually done using Chuck's brain. Nova controlled it whilst it was empty, sure, but she was using Chuck's body to do it.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85...Xavier's brain must actually have phasing and tk powers that he was waiting to break out the next time he got possessed?
Btw, another point to make: the later feats by Nova (mindraping Glads despite his armour etc) were actually done using Chuck's brain. Nova controlled it whilst it was empty, sure, but she was using Chuck's body to do it.
Originally posted by Galan007
Cassandra using Cerebra to locate Chuck doesn't change its fundamental purpose--it amps its wearer's psychic senses to the tenth power.To say that Cerebra wasn't doing what it was built to do in that scene is... Baseless, to say the least. srsly
Just like Xavier isn't 10 times more powerful than her because he expelled her from his body while she was wearing cerebra. It doesn't makes any sense.
Originally posted by abhilegendYou dodged the question. 🙂
So Xavier >>>Nova? Because he did exactly the same to her while he was scattered into a billion pieces.Unlike Nova.
But anyway, the scenes are entirely different.
Cassandra straight up mind-phucked a Cerebra-amped Xavier--tore his thoughts to pieces(Jean literally said "your thoughts are bleeding."😉
Conversely, Jean divided Chuck's mind/essence into every mutant mind on earth. When Cassandra used Cerebra to reach out to these collective minds, the backlash was enough to drive her out of Xavier's body. However, the prominent force behind that was the fact that one of those minds was Jean herself--who just so happened to be tapping the power of the Phoenix at the time...
Cassandra: "No! White-Hot claws tearing through my head..." (an obvious reference to the Phoenix.)
Jean/Phoenix: "You're not welcome in his body or this world, Cassandra... Not while I'm here to protect it."
*Poof* Cassandra is separated from Chuck's body:
So basically, it took Phoenix+Xavier to overcome Cassandra after she'd used a lot of energy on other tasks. I suppose you might call that a poor showing... I wouldn't. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
You dodged the question. 🙂
And you dodged mine.
But anyway, the scenes are entirely different.
Cassandra straight up mind-phucked a Cerebra-amped Xavier--tore his thoughts to pieces(Jean literally said "your thoughts are bleeding."😉 Chuck was left a mess and had to be hospitalized afterward.
She suckershotted him. Not a straight up fight.
Conversely, Jean divided Chuck's thoughts into every mutant mind on earth. When Cassandra used Cerebra to reach out to these collective minds, the backlash was enough to drive her out of Xavier's body. However, the prominent force behind that was the fact that one of those minds was Jean herself--who just so happened to be tapping the power of the Phoenix at the time...
No, Jean had to give up his mind because it was too powerful for her.
It was Xavier who expelled her from his body and regained his body.
Cassandra: "No! White-Hot claws tearing through my head..." (an obvious reference to the Phoenix.)
Jean/Phoenix: "You're not welcome in his body or this world, Cassandra... Not while I'm here to protect it."
*Poof* Cassandra is separated from Chuck's body:
Nova straight up mindraped same Jean without cerebra in the same page.
But while amped to 10th power she got mindraped by her?
Who was straight up less powerful than Charles.
Yeah, right.
So basically, Phoenix+Xavier's essence was able to separate Cassandra from Chuck's body. I suppose you would call that a poor showing. I wouldn't. 🙂
Phoenix didn't do anything. You're also forgetting that Nova would've been amped to 10th power as well.
So it's Charles+Jean (who was less powerful than him) >>>>Nova amped to tenth power>>>Xavier amped to tenth power?
Not sure how that even makes sense.
