The OFFICIAL 'Is there more than one Matrix?' thread

Originally posted by Kes
For 1 you have the hammer and neo's encouter with the agent.

For 2 The architect himself says the one is a necessaty. and that if he choses to save trinity the matrix would crash and everybody would die.

For 3 the one is a glitch that keeps occuring and will occur again. not real a prediction but a fact. so no gods.

In the 2 Matrix theory "the One" IS a necessity. He is needed to keep the Zion illusion real. As long as he's around the humans believe that they are truly free and that one day they will win the war! The key to the deception is that Neo doesn't (or didn't) know that he was just another pawn! However, to believe in the reality of Zion is to believe that the machines are suckers for pain,...like I said previously!

The "glitch" is choice. The one is the eventuality of the glitch. The final piece in a system of control that was set up primarily because of the glitch. The first Matrix failed because of the glitch, at least so says the Architect. So did the second Matrix even after being modelled aftter human history. The solution was to give the illusion of choice to humans thereby controlling them. The One is the key to the control. Everytime he reinserts the prime code it takes into account those choices and eventualities that caused the system to have problems.

As to Neo's ancounter with Smith it still brings us back to believing that somehow Neo can Mentally control programs without being connected in a physical way to the system. If that's not "X-men" I don't know what is.

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Originally posted by Ushgarak

Basically, for it to work, someone has to CHOOSE to be in the Matrix or choose to be free. NOT choose to THINK they are free or to be in a simulated world. Matrix or ACTUALLY free. THAT is the choice, and as it happens it is made subconciously. "Thinking about the reality of their reality" is a nonsensical point. No amount of thinking makes any difference at all.

Originally posted by princess leia
ooh i think i may be finally getting this... so the glitch is created when that person chooses not to be part of the matrix?

Bingo!!!!! 😄 However, the glitch isn't "The One", per sa. It is the uncertainty created by a seemingly random (and irrational) choice of the human. The One is a measure of control as a result of the glitch always occuring no matter how perfect your system is!

Originally posted by In_cite
In the 2 Matrix theory "the One" IS a necessity. He is needed to keep the Zion illusion real. As long as he's around the humans believe that they are truly free and that one day they will win the war! The key to the deception is that Neo doesn't (or didn't) know that he was just another pawn! However, to believe in the reality of Zion is to believe that the machines are suckers for pain,...like I said previously!

The "glitch" is choice. The one is the eventuality of the glitch. The final piece in a system of control that was set up primarily because of the glitch. The first Matrix failed because of the glitch, at least so says the Architect. So did the second Matrix even after being modelled aftter human history. The solution was to give the illusion of choice to humans thereby controlling them. The One is the key to the control. Everytime he reinserts the prime code it takes into account those choices and eventualities that caused the system to have problems.

As to Neo's ancounter with Smith it still brings us back to believing that somehow Neo can Mentally control programs without being connected in a physical way to the system. If that's not "X-men" I don't know what is.

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Zion is a necessity because of those who dont believe. They have to be removed from the matrix and the machines just cant controle everybody.

the glitch is choice yes. when they gave humans choice a glitch was formed. the 1st one failed because people couldn't choose.By giving humans choise they lose control therefore humans can reject the program and leave the matrix. like smith says in the 1st one the humans didn't accept and intier(sp) crops where lost!

Look if the Wash. Bros make neo fly (superman rip off) they can certenally give him powers though the sentinel thing could have been the hammer! maybe neo is not just the one as in the glitch, maybe he is a savior. you know the movie was banned in Edgypt (sp) because of all the saviors and creation stuff!😛

ah hah. are you saying that neo is created by the machines as a form of control? or is he really a good guy?

Originally posted by Kes
once again why not? thats what you say the machines do. smith deploies the machines in the 1st one so he has some power after what neo did he can also bend the rules

Smith controlled the Sentinels from within the Matrix,...not outside it! There is no reason (apart from the "X-men" reason 🙂 ) why Neo should have the same powers, as a result of his encounter with Smith, in the real world. Not impossible,...just difficult to swallow! 🙂

leia the glitch is a bi-product of peoples choices,not the choice to leave the matrix more like everyday choices like do i go left or right .and it keeps occuring.

Originally posted by princess leia
ah hah. are you saying that neo is created by the machines as a form of control? or is he really a good guy?

no the oposite. neo is simply a glitch that became a necessity to the machines. actually not neo but the 1st one.

and in cite than hammer stoped the sentinals.

aaah conflicting opinions... so its basically saying that a matrix which is perfect and computer controlled chuchs a bit of a spak when things like humans make their own choice, and so the glitches build up and become the one?

Originally posted by princess leia
ah hah. are you saying that neo is created by the machines as a form of control? or is he really a good guy?

Good question! Neo is a good guy. However, he IS also a part of the machines control. The trick the machines have used, up until now, was that he didn't know there was this extra layer of deception(Zion). Now he is beginning to realise it. Apparently, so is Bane/Smith. 🙂 The deception is so deep that even the Agents (and most of the programs in the Matrix) don't know about it. Possibly only the Architect and Myabe the Oracle know of this...that's my theory!

and also if neo gave something to smith why not the other way around?

nice idea kes 😉
and do the glitches all build up?

Originally posted by Kes
and also if neo gave something to smith why not the other way around?

I agree that is a possibility,...Kes! 😉

Originally posted by princess leia
aaah conflicting opinions... so its basically saying that a matrix which is perfect and computer controlled chuchs a bit of a spak when things like humans make their own choice, and so the glitches build up and become the one?

the matrix isn't perfect. i think the glitch happen because humans where allowed to choose, not because they choose. do you understand? the one became a necessity because he cleans the matrix of the people who don't except it.thats my theory.

ok. so when the ppl have to power to choose thats when the mistake happens. cos the matrix is a machine. so...neo is created by the matrix, or just cos the world needs him?

Originally posted by Kes
the matrix isn't perfect. i think the glitch happen because humans where allowed to choose, not because they choose. do you understand? the one became a necessity because he cleans the matrix of the people who don't except it.thats my theory.

The glitch occurs because people were making choices that the machines could not understand. They were making everyday choices in irrational ways.In ways the machines did not cater for! Neo is no glitch (or sum of glitches). He is the eventuality of the glitches,... the part of a solution of control of the glitches! 🙂

ok. there was a matrix before this one but it was a failer and entire crops (humans) were lot. another one was created but this one (the matrix from the movie) allows people to choose. when this possibility was created a glitch that occures every so years (dont know how many) was formed. so yes neo is created by the machine but not on purpose. something happens when they plug him. i dont even know how they created the babies or better where the create them. they have to have a lab somewhere!

so is he caused cos when the glitches are around the machine saves them up and pours them into one person or cos of supernatural stuff? like the prophesy?

Originally posted by In_cite
The glitch occurs because people were making choices that the machines could not understand. They were making everyday choices in irrational ways.In ways the machines did not cater for! Neo is no glitch (or sum of glitches). He is the eventuality of the glitches,... the part of a solution of control of the glitches! 🙂

i dont believe is to control the glitches. i believe he is the glitch. 😛 we are going to be discussing this till november! 🤪 😑 😛

Originally posted by princess leia
so is he caused cos when the glitches are around the machine saves them up and pours them into one person or cos of supernatural stuff? like the prophesy?

it just happens. its a malfunction (sp).its outside the control of the machines.