Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Uh, no? The entire point was Leia convinced him to commit suicide, and he actually listened because Luke was able to turn child-murdering, planet busting, mentor killing, son maiming, wife-choking, Darth-****ing-Vader back to the Light because "love conquers all." Except it doesn't.
Yeah that's another thing I didn't like. Leia pretty much sent Han Solo to die by telling him to make sure he brings Ben home if he sees him.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I already told you what's different about it. Continue to repeat yourself for all I care. Kenobi's death served a greater purpose while Han's didn't. Kenobi also initially fought back. 😉
Han's didn't serve a greater purpose? Seriously?
They successfully planted the bombs and destroyed Starkiller base.
Originally posted by Lord StarkThat had no bearing on his death. Did you watch the film ? Han didn't go there to die. Kenobi would live on in the force whereas Han failed to win over his son. This is about as bad as an argument as I can recall. Wow.
Han's didn't serve a greater purpose? Seriously?They successfully planted the bombs and destroyed Starkiller base.
Originally posted by Lord StarkDid Han help with that though? Honest question. As I remember it Chewie and Rey were just watching while Han confronted him, it just seemed like something Han wanted to do rather than a distraction.
Han's didn't serve a greater purpose? Seriously?They successfully planted the bombs and destroyed Starkiller base.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That had no bearing on his death. Did you watch the film ? Han didn't go there to die. Kenobi would live on in the force whereas Han failed to win over his son. This is about as bad as an argument as I can recall. Wow.
Kenobi went to the Death Star to die? Did you watch the movie? You said Han's death didn't have a greater purpose. It did. It allowed the resistance to destroy Starkiller base, it certainly also pushed Rey into a position to awaken her power, and frankly bid Finn and Rey extra time.
Originally posted by Lord StarkKenobi let him kill him and also said he'd be more powerful in death. That served a purpose for Luke. Han's death served no purpose other than for Kylo's journey on the dark side path. Again Han didn't welcome his own death like Kenobi did. Completely different. Han isn't going to live on in the force like Kenobi.
Kenobi went to the Death Star to die? Did you watch the movie? You said Han's death didn't have a greater purpose. It did. It allowed the resistance to destroy Starkiller base, it certainly also pushed Rey into a position to awaken her power, and frankly bid Finn and Rey extra time.
Han convincing Ren to join him would have been far more beneficial than him being killed. Suggesting anything other than that and pretending it's the same as Kenobi is deluding yourself.
Originally posted by The_TempestNo. He was older and weaker. He guided Luke in the destruction of the Death Star. He also made it clear he'd be more powerful as I took to be mean more effective.
...Wouldn't Ben escaping the Death Star alive benefited the Rebellion more than becoming an omnipresent but ultra-impotent space Casper?
Originally posted by quanchi112
No. He was older and weaker. He guided Luke in the destruction of the Death Star. He also made it clear he'd be more powerful as I took to be mean more effective.
He still held his own against Vader, which is more than most people do. It's pretty obvious he would be an asset, between his prowess, knowledge, and experience.
He couldn't have dramatically told Luke to "use the Force" from a Rebel helmet? 😬
Originally posted by quanchi112
Kenobi let him kill him and also said he'd be more powerful in death. That served a purpose for Luke. Han's death served no purpose other than for Kylo's journey on the dark side path. Again Han didn't welcome his own death like Kenobi did. Completely different. Han isn't going to live on in the force like Kenobi.Han convincing Ren to join him would have been far more beneficial than him being killed. Suggesting anything other than that and pretending it's the same as Kenobi is deluding yourself.
Now you're arguing Kenobi was better dead than alive. 😆
Right because a seasoned Jedi Master, the first to kill a Sith Lord in 1,000 years, with 3 years experience of being a general of a galactic scale war is better as a ghost. Never change quan. 😆
Originally posted by The_TempestHis own words said he'd more powerful. Does that mean he'd be just as effective as an older Jedi out of his prime ?
He still held his own against Vader, which is more than most people do. It's pretty obvious he would be an asset, between his prowess, knowledge, and experience.He couldn't have dramatically told Luke to "use the Force" from a Rebel helmet? 😬
He could have gotten shot or killed. He's already dead so he can aid Luke without fear of retaliation.
Originally posted by Lord StarkKenobi stated this. Argue with him or George Lucas.
Now you're arguing Kenobi was better dead than alive. 😆Right because a seasoned Jedi Master, the first to kill a Sith Lord in 1,000 years, with 3 years experience of being a general of a galactic scale war is better as a ghost. Never change quan. 😆
Vader and the empire can't keep him prisoner and can't touch him. He also said he'd be more powerful. The good guys won.
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Spoiler:
Han isn't coming back as a force ghost. He's far better alive than Kenobi ffs.
I unlike make sense so I'll stay the same.