Kylo Ren vs Darth Vader

Remember that Abrams doesn't even consider the PT in his headcanon. He's basing this entirely off the movies where barely trained prodigies like Luke can beat up Darth Vader. This isn't surprising at all.

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He still had training though. And still got his ass kicked in his first duel with Vader. On the other hand, this seems to be the first time Rey has lifted a lightsaber and she still wins. It's ridiculous.

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Chewbacca shoots him. Then he duels Finn and gets hurt before taking down Finn. Then he's beating Rey, until for some odd reason he stands there while she meditates and the ground crumbles beneath them, and then she goes ham. He then gets his face slashed and lives.

Ridiculous is putting it mildly.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice

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he stands there while she meditates and the ground crumbles beneath them, and then she goes ham. He then gets his face slashed and lives.

Ewwwwwwww noooooo

Kylo will get better but he's nowhere near on the level of his grandfather in skill or power.

Vader breaks his scrawny neck

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Ewwwwwwww noooooo

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and what just happened with Han. The bowcasters are also supposed to be crippling, and he keeps punching himself in the stomach to deal with it/gain power.

Gets hella cheesy towards the end.

Maybe they should have let Lucas direct this after all . . .

Sorry for the double post

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Maybe they should have let Lucas direct this after all . . .

And have a great cast being stuck playing blocks of wood in front of a green-screen?

No thanks.

Anyway I like what I'm reading. Looking forwards to seeing this movie even more now.

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According to Snoke he hasn't even finished his training yet.

Though it's notable that Kylo took a bowcaster shot to the stomach beforehand and was internally bleeding. He was also dealing with the mental turmoil that comes with murdering his own father.

Though notably he ragdolled Rey and then fought Finn, soundly kicking his ass, and then he faces Rey, initially beating her, but was clearly of half a mind to take her for his own.

Honestly, he performed a lot better than people are claiming.

For now, Kylo is absolutely destroyed by Vader in every category.

But I have the feeling that Kylo will be much, much more powerful in the 8th movie.

Injuries setting him back stacked with strong innate ability on the part of Fin and Rei is why they did well against Kylo. Against Rei as he sustained more injuries she became more focused. I wouldn't hold it against him. This is textbook Star Wars.

Yeah, Vader definitely wins.

Oh imo Vader would definitely win. Not even close really.

Originally posted by AncientPower

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According to Snoke he hasn't even finished his training yet.

Though it's notable that Kylo took a bowcaster shot to the stomach beforehand and was internally bleeding. He was also dealing with the mental turmoil that comes with murdering his own father.

Though notably he ragdolled Rey and then fought Finn, soundly kicking his ass, and then he faces Rey, initially beating her, but was clearly of half a mind to take her for his own.

Honestly, he performed a lot better than people are claiming.

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I guess considering he was severely injured and mentally unstable he performed better than people say, but still... Beaten by someone who hadn't even turned a lightsaber on before facing him? Come on, that's just unnecessary.

There is no excuse.

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Any of them being a challenge for Kylo was insipid and added more contradicting showings to the lore. The duals were horrible for a 2015 SW movie.

Originally posted by Sinious
There is no excuse.

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Any of them being a challenge for Kylo was insipid and added more contradicting showings to the lore. The duals were horrible for a 2015 SW movie.

Also, Vader wins.

I agree, I do hope the next movie features

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more exciting and cooler saber duels

Overall, I did like the movie tho.

I have 2, maybe 3 things I don't like about it. Other than that, it was pretty sweet.

Originally posted by Sinious
There is no excuse.

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Any of them being a challenge for Kylo was insipid and added more contradicting showings to the lore. The duals were horrible for a 2015 SW movie.

Also, Vader wins.

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He just crazy murdered his own father.

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He himself is a prodigious and trained dark sider who was able to TK stop a freaking laser bolt. He should've been able to one-shot or blitz them.