You mistake. As I said
It has nothing to do with fanboyism. It has to do with Finn not becoming yet another black sidekick character whose role is only to support the white cast members (Poe the ace pilot who essentially destroys Death Star 2.0 and Rey the Chosen One 2.0 destined to inherit the Skywalker legacy)
Which especially sucks because historically Star Wars has veered away from using tropes like that regarding their black characters.
Kylo flat out sucks lol. He'd still suck whether or not Finn was force sensitive or not. But I prefer the idea of only Jedi being able to wield it barring massive augmentation like Grievous. I'm fine either way. I'd just prefer if Finn were Force Sensitive and both him and Rey did Jedi training together. It'd be refreshing to see two apprentices learning at once and really get across the idea of Luke rerestarting the Jedi Order better.
I, for one, am completely fine with this. This is a far more realistic depiction of a lightsaber duel; Finn is a super-fit, highly trained soldier. This is a life or death battle, not a performance. Kylo Ren is only human, and he's badly hurt. There is no perfect technique to make someone untouchable. This is what happens in sword fights. All things considered, Kylo did exceptionally well, befitting of a highly trained warrior.
What I'm not fine with is Kylo getting his ass whooped by Rey, who isn't trained at all whatsoever, and in the most goofy way possible. Like, fan-film tier oneness mid-duel meditation shit.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
I, for one, am completely fine with this. This is a far more realistic depiction of a lightsaber duel; Finn is a super-fit, highly trained soldier. This is a life or death battle, not a performance. Kylo Ren is only human, and he's badly hurt. There is no perfect technique to make someone untouchable. This is what happens in sword fights. All things considered, Kylo did exceptionally well, befitting of a highly trained warrior.What I'm not fine with is Kylo getting his ass whooped by Rey, who isn't trained at all whatsoever, and in the most goofy way possible. Like, fan-film tier oneness mid-duel meditation shit.
Yeah I prefer the PT depiction of Jedi honestly. I also thought the duels were sloppily choreographed doesn't hold a candle to the Duel of Fates in Episode 1. Also...really don't like the effects on the sabers.
Originally posted by NewGuy01Meh, realism is all well and good but this is a space opera, I feel it needs a bit of the romantic finesse and spectacle we see in the PT or even the Original Trilogy.
I, for one, am completely fine with this. This is a far more realistic depiction of a lightsaber duel; Finn is a super-fit, highly trained soldier. This is a life or death battle, not a performance. Kylo Ren is only human, and he's badly hurt. There is no perfect technique to make someone untouchable. This is what happens in sword fights. All things considered, Kylo did exceptionally well, befitting of a highly trained warrior.What I'm not fine with is Kylo getting his ass whooped by Rey, who isn't trained at all whatsoever, and in the most goofy way possible. Like, fan-film tier oneness mid-duel meditation shit.
And I agree with Stark, Kylo's lightsaber aside there was something off about Anakin/Luke's - something a bit raw about it.
Originally posted by NewGuy01Nah. These are freaking wizards who choose to wield this weapon for a reason. It makes them even deadlier as their unorthodox approach on sword fighting with their connection to the force make them far superior to ordinary beings. They reflect blaster bolts ffs. Finn being able to properly use that weapon was stupid, let alone being a challenge to Ren.
I, for one, am completely fine with this. This is a far more realistic depiction of a lightsaber duel; Finn is a super-fit, highly trained soldier. This is a life or death battle, not a performance. Kylo Ren is only human, and he's badly hurt. There is no perfect technique to make someone untouchable. This is what happens in sword fights. All things considered, Kylo did exceptionally well, befitting of a highly trained warrior.
What I'm not fine with is Kylo getting his ass whooped by Rey, who isn't trained at all whatsoever, and in the most goofy way possible. Like, fan-film tier oneness mid-duel meditation shit.I agree with this though. Rey's performance was even more disturbing despite what most people think. At least there are shitty explanations of why Finn didn't get stomped where Rey's part has none.
LOL @ "fan-film tier oneness mid-duel meditation shit". 👆
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Rey's duel was pretty cringeworthy on all levels, but I liked every single other fight in the movie tbh.PT is cool in it's own right, but didn't capture this dangerous feel to saber combat as well for me.
Ahh, see that's where I disagree. I was on the edge of my seat for every PT duel. In the OT, only Kenobi died in a saber fight and even then he only died because he intentionally let his guard down.
In the PT we get the duel of fates and right off the bat Qui-Gon dies and not from letting his guard down. In all the PT duels I felt like at any moment the person could die.
They reflect blaster bolts ffs.
Well, those are slow. Also, I don't thin there are instances in the OT or ST where fire from several opponents is being deflected.
Finn being able to properly use that weapon was stupid,
It's a sword. Finn's exceptional among soldiers who have been bred for combat and trained since birth.
Force users are (in this case) just humans! Humans who have achieved mastery over the mysterious energy that all life forms possess.
Originally posted by Sinious
Nah. These are freaking wizards who choose to wield this weapon for a reason. It makes them even deadlier as their unorthodox approach on sword fighting with their connection to the force make them far superior to ordinary beings. They reflect blaster bolts ffs. Finn being able to properly use that weapon was stupid, let alone being a challenge to Ren. I agree with this though. Rey's performance was even more disturbing despite what most people think. At least there are shitty explanations of why Finn didn't get stomped where Rey's part has none.LOL @ "fan-film tier oneness mid-duel meditation shit". 👆
Stormtroopers have a background in melee training, and we see that Rey has some ability in combat far into the beginning of the film. Obviously, Ren isn't fully trained as iirc he mentions that, and Snoke even remarks that he needs to complete his training.
Why some of you are going full retard and assuming that he SUCKS, when he was injured and Rey has potential that mirrors lukes progression in the OT is really jumping the shark. Of course he isn't going to be amazing when he is only half trained, but Rey's ability to perform is simply her innate potential in the force being manifest.
Originally posted by carthage
Stormtroopers have a background in melee training, and we see that Rey has some ability in combat far into the beginning of the film. Obviously, Ren isn't fully trained as iirc he mentions that, and Snoke even remarks that he needs to complete his training.Why some of you are going full retard and assuming that he SUCKS, when he was injured and Rey has potential that mirrors lukes progression in the OT is really jumping the shark. Of course he isn't going to be amazing when he is only half trained, but Rey's ability to perform is simply her innate potential in the force being manifest.
He does suck. No matter how you slice it Kylo would get his shit pushed in by the Emperor, Darth Maul, Dooku, Vader, or Grievous. He is utterly underwhelming in comparison to any of the film villains, and honestly even with the benefit of the doubt can barely stack up to the villains in the animated series.
+ He comes across as a spoiled brat who cuts up parts of his Star Destroyer when he throws a tantrum. I laughed out loud for nearly all of his 'angry scenes'.
Where as with Vader he maintained his composure. Not saying Kylo can't have some of those moments where he loses his composer but the dude looked incompetent throughout the film.