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The duel wasn't that bad tbh, despite being shot by a ridiculously heavy duty bowcaster and suffering under emotional turmoil, he is still able to handily defeat Rey and Finn, it's only when Rey has a burst of oneness/focus that he is overpowered.And tbh Rey is probably a Skywalker, probably Luke's daughter, so her potential (which here she tapped into) should be vast to say the least.
Still, his lightsaber skills seems sorely lacking, so I imagine Vader would easily trounce him.
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For someone who's supposed to be Jacen Solo 2.0, Kylo Ren is...disappointing. 'You will never be as good as Darth Vader' Raye tells him. She's right. Vader is orders of magnitude beyond Mr. Ren. The Kylo Ren we saw in Ep 7 couldn't even take guys like Kit Fisto, let alone Darth Vader.
I am unimpressed with Mr. Ren. Vader stomps.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Tbh until that fight I got the impression that Kylo Ren was mad powerful and was quite impressed by him, I'd like to see him fight uninjured before I cast full judgement.Spoiler:
Though I'm guessing with Snoke "completing his training" he'll be better come Episode 8.
That's still no excuse lol. Even if the Inquisitor were shot in the stomach he'd still be able to godstomp two people who have never even used a lightsaber before.
I mean FFS Finn lost to a Stormtrooper a day before he fights Kylo.
Originally posted by Lord StarkWell you don't really know that, if the Inquisitor was shot by Chewie's bowcaster I don't see him getting up.
That's still no excuse lol. Even if the Inquisitor were shot in the stomach he'd still be able to godstomp two people who have never even used a lightsaber before.
I mean FFS Finn lost to a Stormtrooper a day before he fights Kylo.He beat Finn tho, and both were highly skilled with melee weapons.
My point is though that the writers may have believed Kylo's disadvantage more extensive than we are asserting, and without a base line to compare with we can only speculate.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
[B]Well you don't really know that, if the Inquisitor was shot by Chewie's bowcaster I don't see him getting up.He beat Finn tho, and both were highly skilled with melee weapons.
Eh, I don't know about that. Especially since he was using the wound to power up. +He arguably gained a power-up by killing Han.
My point is though that the writers may have believed Kylo's disadvantage more extensive than we are asserting, and without a base line to compare with we can only speculate.
Maybe...but it still doesn't change the fact that a Stormtrooper was able to whoop Finn's ass without sustaining any injury, but Kylo got a massive arm wound.
Finn's fight with the Stormy was his first ever usage of the lightsaber in a duel like that, and when he fought injured!Kylo he had one of those "I'm focused now b(tch" moments opposed to the "oh fug oh fug im dueling this guy reaction he had to the Stormy who screamed "TRAITOR" and rushed him.
No two fights are the same and they're dictated by character disposition more than anything else in Star Wars. Fresh Kylo versus first-duel-ever Finn is probably going to be a stomp. Injured Kylo versus focused Finn is still a decisive loss for Finn but he had more of a chance.
Originally posted by ILS
Finn's fight with the Stormy was his first ever usage of the lightsaber in a duel like that, and when he fought injured!Kylo he had one of those "I'm focused now b(tch" moments opposed to the "oh fug oh fug im dueling this guy reaction he had to the Stormy who screamed "TRAITOR" and rushed him.No two fights are the same and they're dictated by character disposition more than anything else in Star Wars. Fresh Kylo versus first-duel-ever Finn is probably going to be a stomp. Injured Kylo versus focused Finn is still a decisive loss for Finn but he had more of a chance.
Look if Finn turns out to be Force Sensitive, its Gucci. But the idea that a non-trained, non-force sensitive can stand up to even a partially trained Dark Side Warrior is ridiculous.
Finn had more than a chance bro. The same injury that Finn inflicted on him ended essentially disarmed Kenobi in AOTCs.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Such a ridiculous and fanboyish thing to say. You're obviously upset.
It has nothing to do with fanboyism. It has to do with Finn not becoming yet another black sidekick character whose role is only to support the white cast members (Poe the ace pilot who essentially destroys Death Star 2.0 and Rey the Chosen One 2.0 destined to inherit the Skywalker legacy)