Battlezone challenge: Star Trek vs. Star Wars

Incorrect, you asked me which BZs you bailed out of and claimed I was lying. Here it is:

Originally posted by quanchi112
What battlezones have I exited ? You just made something up.

I gave an example 'Khan Vs Vader' and you resorted to sophomoric excuses in why you stopped posting and bailed. ie you lied about me lying and you lied about not bailing out of a BZ. It's all on page5 for all to see. Rather juvenile tactics you're using, imo.

You also dodged my question four times now even though I respectfully answered yours, but I expected that.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I generalized I'm not breaking down the debate in a battlezone challenge thread. The op is clear.

You could make a new challenge, you could start a new battlezone. Instead you just post excuses. Coward.

I told you the director confirmed the numerical threat the federation itself would face is 4,000 plus ships and an entire new alien species. I've seen the ot and the pt and their tech isn't up to par nor can they stop the might of Trek added with the sheer numbers of a threat to the entire federation. I've stated this weeks ago.

Yes, Quan. Ipsedixitism doesn't count as proof. And those numbers are irrelevant if those ships are even smaller than a usual fighter in the SW universe.

I'd get more satisfaction of destroying an arrogant Star Wars fan boy. You even mentioned that shithole, star destroyer. That place is awful. I'd love to place your chin on a curb and stomp it debate wise.

Your dreams sound interesting, Quanchi. Do that thoughts make you wet, little flower?

I break down posts point by point in the last four battlezones I've done. I'd put in the time to break yours down point by point but not prior to the official debate. That's stupid. Accept already.

"I will be a brave little girl tomorrow, mommy. Today, I'm still being the little, angsty sissy clinging to your legs. But tomorrow, I will be awesome." Cry more.

Kenobi didn't crush Jango with the force. Windu didn't crush Jango with the force. Saying something without evidence isn't debating. I use evidence to support my claims but you think saying the force crushes him is debating. It's called a baseless claim.

Kenobi didn't want to kill Jango and made him run despite having aid from a freaking star ship capable of tearing a part with his gun - which were fired on Kenobi to keep him away from Jango. And we all know how Mace vs Jango ended. About the same way Mace vs Khan would end: A lightsaber swing and a head separated from the body of its previous owner.

The debate can't be held now as it isn't the Trek trilogy until I see Beyond. You're trying to ignore the third film because you're desperate. Just copy and paste come summer time.

Pardon me.
You've pointed to your "aces" multiple times now. As "Beyond" isn't out, those must already be there. So you are sure to win the debate based on the two films already released. So why wait? Afraid? Thought so. 🙂

Originally posted by Robtard
Incorrect, you asked me which BZs you bailed out of and claimed I was lying. Here it is:

I gave an example 'Khan Vs Vader' and you resorted to sophomoric excuses in why you stopped posting and bailed. ie you lied about me lying and you lied about not bailing out of a BZ. It's all on page5 for all to see. Rather juvenile tactics you're using, imo.

You also dodged my question four times now even though I respectfully answered yours, but I expected that.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not reading back, but can you give a single good reason why anyone would want to do a BZ with you when you [B]almost never finish one? You get stumped on questions/points you can't counter and instead of conceding the match like a gentlemen, you dodge or you bail and stop posting altogether

You're begging people to commit their time and effort and you already have one foot out the door before it starts. That's dishonest debating tactics, imo. [/B]

When someone asks for battlezones they clearly mean more than one for at least a simple majority of the battlezones I have done.

Don't use words like almost and never if you don't mean them. The last battlezone I did the other poster never returned without rebutting my last two posts over a month ago. 🙂

Oh well. The emperor lost.

Incorrect. You claimed I lied and implied you never bailed out. When you did and I showed it, page 5 for all to see. If I post another one, you'll resort to "Okay, show me three" so on and so forth, because these are the silly tactics you use. Which goes back to my initial question, why would anyone commit to a BZ with you considering you antics. I asked for one reason and you couldn't give one.

You're being disingenuous again, quano. The poster says he's busy and that he will return and it's been less than a month since he last posted. Lies. Lies. Lies.

Originally posted by Nai
You could make a new challenge, you could start a new battlezone. Instead you just post excuses. Coward.

Yes, Quan. Ipsedixitism doesn't count as proof. And those numbers are irrelevant if those ships are even smaller than a usual fighter in the SW universe.

Your dreams sound interesting, Quanchi. Do that thoughts make you wet, little flower?

"I will be a brave little girl tomorrow, mommy. Today, I'm still being the little, angsty sissy clinging to your legs. But tomorrow, I will be awesome." Cry more.

Kenobi didn't want to kill Jango and made him run despite having aid from a freaking star ship capable of tearing a part with his gun - which were fired on Kenobi to keep him away from Jango. And we all know how Mace vs Jango ended. About the same way Mace vs Khan would end: A lightsaber swing and a head separated from the body of its previous owner.

Pardon me.
You've pointed to your "aces" multiple times now. As "Beyond" isn't out, those must already be there. So you are sure to win the debate based on the two films already released. So why wait? Afraid? Thought so. 🙂

They clearly do count as they are shown quite capable of hive swarming ships far better than themselves. You wanting to dismiss them as legit threats without seeing the film is being biased. Wait and see. They are a threat to the entire federation. The rebels weren't technologically superior or better trained than the rebels but they still lost.

Then show the courage to stand against me. Just copy and paste. I can even do it for you this summer.

The debate begins after Star Trek beyond comes out not before. Read the op. I've been clear since the beginning and your illiteracy doesn't change that fact.

Kenobi had the force. Kylo didn't need to kill Poe Dameron to stop him with the force. Kenobi, not so much. You don't get to make shit up. That isn't how debating works. We see Jango weaponless hold his own against Kenobi and the force. That matters more so than your biased perceptions of how the force works in the hands of Kenobi. Cad Bane even defeated Kenobi in hand to hand despite Kenobi having the force and a lightsaber.

Made didn't crush him with the force he killed him with his skills with his saber. Jango's jetpack didn't work either due to a beast which neutered his abilities and slanted the fight to benefit Windu.

My case relies on the numbers and the might of trek with all three films. Quit trying to argue one trilogy vs two trek movies when I've always said it'll be trilogy vs. trilogy.

Originally posted by Robtard
You claimed I lied and implied you never bailed out. When you did and I showed it, page 5 for all to see. If I post another one, you'll resort to "Okay, show me three" so on and so forth, because these are the silly tactics you use. Which goes back to my initial question, why would anyone commit to a BZ with you considering you antics. I asked for one reason and you couldn't give one.

You're being disingenuous again, quano. The poster says he's busy and that he will return and it's been less than a month since he last posted. Lies. Lies. Lies.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not reading back, but can you give a single good reason why anyone would want to do a BZ with you when you [B]almost never finish one? You get stumped on questions/points you can't counter and instead of conceding the match like a gentlemen, you dodge or you bail and stop posting altogether

You're begging people to commit their time and effort and you already have one foot out the door before it starts. That's dishonest debating tactics, imo. [/B]

I've had two people back out the day of. Xanatos and Darth Thor.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The challenge was clear in the op after the Beyond film in the summer. Quit posting if you're going to make excuses or ignore the clear intent of the thread. You can copy and paste your laughable arguments and even link stardestroyer.net

As I said. Chicken Quan on the run. Coward.

They clearly do count as they are shown quite capable of hive swarming ships far better than themselves. You wanting to dismiss them as legit threats without seeing the film is being biased. Wait and see. They are a threat to the entire federation. The rebels weren't technologically superior or better trained than the rebels but they still lost.

The Death Star on its own would be a "threat to the Federation". Hell. Khan on his own is a "threat to the Federation". The Federation is laughable.

Then show the courage to stand against me. Just copy and paste. I can even do it for you this summer.

Why don't you show courage and do some NuTrek vs Star Wars Battlezone with me right now? Desperation? Fear?

The debate begins after Star Trek beyond comes out not before. Read the op. I've been clear since the beginning and your illiteracy doesn't change that fact.

I proposed an alternative that can be done right now. Why don't you accept, Quan?

Kenobi had the force. Kylo didn't need to kill Poe Dameron to stop him with the force. Kenobi, not so much. You don't get to make shit up. That isn't how debating works. We see Jango weaponless hold his own against Kenobi and the force. That matters more so than your biased perceptions of how the force works in the hands of Kenobi. Cad Bane even defeated Kenobi in hand to hand despite Kenobi having the force and a lightsaber.

Oh my god.
Because people haven't shown an exact act on screen doesn't mean that they can't perform it. If somebody can use telekinesis to rip apart large metal structures (Kenobi in RotS) he could certainly do the same to a human body. That you have virtually no imagination (or intellect) doesn't mean that the same also goes for others.

And just for the fun of it: Kenobi force pushed General Grievous into the ceiling and then bend the armor on the cyborgs chest with his bare hands. Kenobi > Khan in the strength department.

Made didn't crush him with the force he killed him with his skills with his saber. Jango's jetpack didn't work either due to a beast which neutered his abilities and slanted the fight to benefit Windu.

Does Khan has a jetpack now? No? Oh. See.

My case relies on the numbers and the might of trek with all three films. Quit trying to argue one trilogy vs two trek movies when I've always said it'll be trilogy vs. trilogy.

You've dodged the alusion to your "aces" once again, Quanchi. One begins to wonder if they are nonexistant - much like your intelligence, imagination, debating skills and courage.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You claimed almost never. That's what was a lie. I still gave detailed and thorough posts. Carver, didn't. I can go finish this just don't expect carver to say much. I want you to admit Khan is superior if I do so and win. Do you accept ?

I've had two people back out the day of. Xanatos and Darth Thor.

You're trying a red herring now. You claimed I lied and that you never bailed out of a BZ when you did, it's on page 5. You bailed out of that BZ well over a year ago, by you own rules of "not responding", you lost the BZ. Also, expecting the other poster to commit themselves again after you bailed well over a year ago is a lowly tactic.

Why should they commit their time to you when you've already shown you have little to no interesting in holding up your end of the bargain? <--- a question

You're being disingenuous again, quano. DT did not bail, iirc. He proposed a different setting and you refused. Like you're refusing the poser above here now.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're trying a red herring now. You claimed I lied and that you never bailed out of a BZ when you did, it's on page 5. You bailed out of that BZ well over a year ago, by you own rules of "not responding", you lost the BZ. Also, expecting the other poster to commit themselves again after you bailed well over a year ago is a lowly tactic.

Why should they commit their time to you when you've already shown you have little to no interesting in holding up your end of the bargain? <--- a question

You're being disingenuous again, quano. DT did not bail, iirc. He proposed a different setting and you refused. Like you're refusing the poser above here now.

A red herring isn't the case when the majority of my battlezones I finish and have had others walk away from.

Dt agreed to Vader and the day of tried Kenobi because he lacked the faith to rep Vader. He backed down from this one as well.

🙂

Originally posted by Nai
As I said. Chicken Quan on the run. Coward.

The Death Star on its own would be a "threat to the Federation". Hell. Khan on his own is a "threat to the Federation". The Federation is laughable.

Why don't you show courage and do some NuTrek vs Star Wars Battlezone with me right now? Desperation? Fear?

I proposed an alternative that can be done right now. Why don't you accept, Quan?

Oh my god.
Because people haven't shown an exact act on screen doesn't mean that they can't perform it. If somebody can use telekinesis to rip apart large metal structures (Kenobi in RotS) he could certainly do the same to a human body. That you have virtually no imagination (or intellect) doesn't mean that the same also goes for others.

And just for the fun of it: Kenobi force pushed General Grievous into the ceiling and then bend the armor on the cyborgs chest with his bare hands. Kenobi > Khan in the strength department.

Does Khan has a jetpack now? No? Oh. See.

You've dodged the alusion to your "aces" once again, Quanchi. One begins to wonder if they are nonexistant - much like your intelligence, imagination, debating skills and courage.

Khan would be a threat to the empire and Palpatine as well. Khan designed weapons what would cause Palpatine to ejaculate. Khan wouldn't fail as Yoda failed. The federation prevailed. The empire didn't against the paltry rebel alliance. The Death Star was easily destroyed. Hell, two Death Stars were easily destroyed.

I intended trilogy vs trilogy. You're saying hey despite your challenge thread give me a chance and let's do it without your third film. What a cowardly tactic.

I created a thread to debate what I am interested in. Man up and accept the challenge. Trilogy vs trilogy. Are you afraid of those swarm frontier ships ?

I didn't say can't I said probably won't due to them never using the force against legitimate threats in the manner you described. He's lost to cad bane. Canon. He electro a choked him despite having to run from two Jedi. Two Jedi couldn't take him in. Those are facts that can't be altered. You saying Kenobi does this when he clearly hasn't is not the same. He used the force against Grievous and didn't defeat him with it either. It took the force and a blaster to end grievous.

We've never seen them rip apart a body. We see Dooku rip apart structures yet he didn trip apart Kenobi with the force. Who has ripped someone's body in half with the force ? Biased posters apply the force in any way they want to despite the lack of evidence and faulty well they can do so logic.

Nah, Kenobi's kick was pathetic against Anakin and pulling back that plating that obviously could be moved doesn't mean anything. He kicked him and hurt himself. Khan crushed a human skull and when he hit people he sent them back 20 plus feet. That's super strength.

That isn't Khan that's Jango. Jango doesn't have a gun that can oneshot Klingon patrol ships or vaporize armored foes. Khan doesn't need to fly away but in that scene Jango clearly did. He had a shitty blaster. He wasn't at his best when Windu finally killed him via saber not the force. Choose your words carefully, sport.

I say I don't want to reveal my aces to which you say hey what are your aces. Wait until the summer and see for yourself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This challenge is for the summer. You posted a detailed argument supported by images so you will accept by summertime ? After the film releases you'll accept since I can copy and paste your argument.

I can't accept for summertime, as in summertime, I might have better things to do than participate in a battlezone thread. I offer you the chance to proof your worth now. You refuse. So you're a coward. Good to know. Move on.

Khan would be a threat to the empire and Palpatine as well. Khan designed weapons what would cause Palpatine to ejaculate. Khan wouldn't fail as Yoda failed. The federation prevailed. The empire didn't against the paltry rebel alliance. The Death Star was easily destroyed. Hell, two Death Stars were easily destroyed.

Lmao.
Palpatine had superweapons capable of one-hitting entire planets. What has Khan designed that comes even close to the Death Star? And no. Khan as an individual wouldn't be a threat for the Empire, since Vader alone would destroy him in combat. With ease.

I intended trilogy vs trilogy. You're saying hey despite your challenge thread give me a chance and let's do it without your third film. What a cowardly tactic.

Pardon me. You are still always pointing to aces that you have right now. You are certain that you can win the battlezone right now, because otherwise, you wouldn't attempt to challenge somebody to it. That you don't accept my offer to prove your worth as a debater right now, either means you're a coward, who can't win anything without his "aces" (which is completely laughable, since either those are arguments that can't be challenged or they can be challenged in the later battlezone, regardless if you post them now or not). Or you're an idiot, because you don't know yet, whether you can win and rely on information that might be present in "Beyond".

Coward or idiot? What is it, Quanchi?

I created a thread to debate what I am interested in. Man up and accept the challenge. Trilogy vs trilogy. Are you afraid of those swarm frontier ships ?

Excuse me, Quan. If you can run around here and call people cowards, because they don't participate in debates that they are not interested in, I'm very sure I can just do the same with you. And in this case, it's so extremely funny, to see you attempting to worm out of the challenge without losing face, because any new information present in "Beyond" can't be vital for your argument (as you already have your "aces"😉.

I didn't say can't I said probably won't due to them never using the force against legitimate threats in the manner you described. He's lost to cad bane. Canon. He electro a choked him despite having to run from two Jedi. Two Jedi couldn't take him in. Those are facts that can't be altered. You saying Kenobi does this when he clearly hasn't is not the same. He used the force against Grievous and didn't defeat him with it either. It took the force and a blaster to end grievous.

I didn't see Cad Bane in the movies, Quan. If you want to drag the Clone Wars into this little discussion we are somehow not having, than each major character wipes the floor with Khan based on their feats. They also do based on movie feats but that animated series even makes it more obvious.

We've never seen them rip apart a body. We see Dooku rip apart structures yet he didn trip apart Kenobi with the force. Who has ripped someone's body in half with the force ? Biased posters apply the force in any way they want to despite the lack of evidence and faulty well they can do so logic.

We see Dooku killing with Force Choke in the Clone Wars series. We see him leveling entire groups of opponents. We see him taking out Anakin with force lightning in AotC. We see him dropping rather huge metal structures on Kenobi / Anakin (AotC) and Kenobi (RotS). All things that Khan would be totally defenseless against. In fact, he probably would loses his weapons the second he enters the fight, since disarming opponents with the Force (especially those who can't defend themselves against telekinesis) is one of the oldest move in Star Wars (see Vader in ESB).

Nah, Kenobi's kick was pathetic against Anakin and pulling back that plating that obviously could be moved doesn't mean anything. He kicked him and hurt himself. Khan crushed a human skull and when he hit people he sent them back 20 plus feet. That's super strength.

It was a centimeter thick metal plating and Kenobi did bent it and not "pull it back". That's more impressive than crushing a human skull (which doesn't even happen on screen, so we don't see what Khan did do exactly).

That isn't Khan that's Jango. Jango doesn't have a gun that can oneshot Klingon patrol ships or vaporize armored foes. Khan doesn't need to fly away but in that scene Jango clearly did. He had a shitty blaster. He wasn't at his best when Windu finally killed him via saber not the force. Choose your words carefully, sport.

Jango had backup by a ship that was capable of slicing through an asteroid field with rapid fire, detonating entire asteroids in the process. And that gun was fired at Kenobi. So?

I say I don't want to reveal my aces to which you say hey what are your aces. Wait until the summer and see for yourself.

That you even need to "hide" some "aces" already shows what a lousy debater and coward you are. As I said: No challenge.

Originally posted by Nai
I can't accept for summertime, as in summertime, I might have better things to do than participate in a battlezone thread. I offer you the chance to proof your worth now. You refuse. So you're a coward. Good to know. Move on.

Lmao.
Palpatine had superweapons capable of one-hitting entire planets. What has Khan designed that comes even close to the Death Star? And no. Khan as an individual wouldn't be a threat for the Empire, since Vader alone would destroy him in combat. With ease.

Pardon me. You are still always pointing to aces that you have right now. You are certain that you can win the battlezone right now, because otherwise, you wouldn't attempt to challenge somebody to it. That you don't accept my offer to prove your worth as a debater right now, either means you're a coward, who can't win anything without his "aces" (which is completely laughable, since either those are arguments that can't be challenged or they can be challenged in the later battlezone, regardless if you post them now or not). Or you're an idiot, because you don't know yet, whether you can win and rely on information that might be present in "Beyond".

Coward or idiot? What is it, Quanchi?

Excuse me, Quan. If you can run around here and call people cowards, because they don't participate in debates that they are not interested in, I'm very sure I can just do the same with you. And in this case, it's so extremely funny, to see you attempting to worm out of the challenge without losing face, because any new information present in "Beyond" can't be vital for your argument (as you already have your "aces"😉.

I didn't see Cad Bane in the movies, Quan. If you want to drag the Clone Wars into this little discussion we are somehow not having, than each major character wipes the floor with Khan based on their feats. They also do based on movie feats but that animated series even makes it more obvious.

We see Dooku killing with Force Choke in the Clone Wars series. We see him leveling entire groups of opponents. We see him taking out Anakin with force lightning in AotC. We see him dropping rather huge metal structures on Kenobi / Anakin (AotC) and Kenobi (RotS). All things that Khan would be totally defenseless against. In fact, he probably would loses his weapons the second he enters the fight, since disarming opponents with the Force (especially those who can't defend themselves against telekinesis) is one of the oldest move in Star Wars (see Vader in ESB).

It was a centimeter thick metal plating and Kenobi did bent it and not "pull it back". That's more impressive than crushing a human skull (which doesn't even happen on screen, so we don't see what Khan did do exactly).

Jango had backup by a ship that was capable of slicing through an asteroid field with rapid fire, detonating entire asteroids in the process. And that gun was fired at Kenobi. So?

That you even need to "hide" some "aces" already shows what a lousy debater and coward you are. As I said: No challenge.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This will take place after Star Trek Beyond's film over the summer. It will be trilogy vs. trilogy. This challenge is first being extended to Darth Thor since he always acts like he could beat me in a one on one judged debate. I will be representing ONLY the NuTrek Trilogy while you have your choice of the Prequel trilogy or the Original trilogy. It'll be a space war with all characters from each trilogy only going to war.

I'm saying based off the interviews for Beyond and the sheer numbers of the NuFilm along with the other two films that they'd defeat either Wars trilogy in combat. I'm willing to debate this. Here is your chance to shut me up. Will anyone answer the bell here ?

Now with that being said time may be an issue and since you already believe you've won and there's nothing I can do or say then I'll copy and paste your arguments and you can sit back and don't have to worry about logging in, right ?

The Death Star was someone else's plans Palpatine had nothing to do with them. His personal phaser cannon and phaser rifle are far better than any hand held weapon the Stormtroopers employ. Your simplistic little mind only sees power but not the man power required to run said station and the lack of mobility. Your mind doesn't see the strengths and weaknesses. The USS Vengeance can be operated by one man. That's invaluable in a war type setting considering the speed, size, and the impressive weaponry we see from it. Simply ridiculous. Vader would be put down by Khan but I don't want to turn this into another Khan vs Vader debate.

I do have aces now but I've said I needed the numbers. You ignore that statement and want to change the entire debate and subtract a film because you're full of cowardice. Man the **** up. 4,000 plus ships and the sheer numbers from the Frontier will make this a Trek victory on top of the Trek might and power. 2+2=4. The director confirmed those numbers and I'll need to see the film to cite how it's done not just argue based off a 2 minute preview.

If you didn't post in this thread I wouldn't call you a coward but you've put up an argument despite this not being the actual debate. I said I'll respond to them after Beyond releases. Everytime I ever mention an official debate you come up with a thousand excuses as to why you can't do it. The laughable argument you put up will be destroyed by in movie references, common sense, and logic. I think you're shitting your pants and the funniest part is we won't even see the Klingon empire and you're already shitting your pants. We see the best from Star Wars but haven't even seen all aspects of the impressive forces in the Trek universe and you still want to run and hide.

That is canon so it supports my claims but I wouldn't cite it. I don't have to as we see him clearly not besting Jango Fett while using the force in the battle against him. We also see it used against Grievous and he needed a blaster to win. Kinda weak argument and not supported by your wild and fanboyish claims.

Khan would shoot him while he used the force to drop a structure. It leaves him wide open. Khan shoots in far less than a second and we see Dooku taking multiple seconds to do so. We see Kenobi defenseless against a force choke but somehow survive. We go by real time not fanboyism claims of what Dooku can do. I mean I wouldn't cite this but Hondo and his men capture this Sith turd. Humiliating, yes ?

😂

No, it isn't since we see he can clearly bend that part but his legs which are more powerful than his arms hurt himself kicking him. It's called common sense. We see his strength fail to drive Anakin back unlike Khan whose kicked men back twenty plus feet. Common sense. Kenobi can't crush a skull with his bare hands, nerd.

So ? The ship fired once. Jango's weaponry disarmed him. Jango took him on and Kenobi used the force but not to beat Jango because it doesn't work that way, you don't get to ignore showings and cite fanboyism claims not supported by the facts.

Nah, it shows I will debate the topic thoroughly in the official debate not against some coward who wants to subtract a film and start it now. That's cowardice at its finest.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I suggest reading the opening post again.

And I suggest not attempting to worm out of the situation, vermin.

Now with that being said time may be an issue and since you already believe you've won and there's nothing I can do or say then I'll copy and paste your arguments and you can sit back and don't have to worry about logging in, right ?

Obviously, I would need to react to your "arguments", no matter how ridiculous they are, even though I know you can't win. So there would be need to spend more time on this, because you decide to chicken out right now.

The Death Star was someone else's plans Palpatine had nothing to do with them. His personal phaser cannon and phaser rifle are far better than any hand held weapon the Stormtroopers employ. Your simplistic little mind only sees power but not the man power required to run said station and the lack of mobility. Your mind doesn't see the strengths and weaknesses. The USS Vengeance can be operated by one man. That's invaluable in a war type setting considering the speed, size, and the impressive weaponry we see from it. Simply ridiculous.

You were directly comparing the stuff Khan came up with to the Imperial arsenal, which includes two Death Stars. My "simplistic" mind is apparently more able to graps the nonsense you produce than your own non-existant intellect.

Vader would be put down by Khan but I don't want to turn this into another Khan vs Vader debate.

Probably because you lost the last judged one with flying colors, since your usual tactics (switch rules mid-debate) weren't accepted by the judge. Pathetic.

I do have aces now but I've said I needed the numbers. You ignore that statement and want to change the entire debate and subtract a film because you're full of cowardice. Man the **** up. 4,000 plus ships and the sheer numbers from the Frontier will make this a Trek victory on top of the Trek might and power. 2+2=4. The director confirmed those numbers and I'll need to see the film to cite how it's done not just argue based off a 2 minute preview.

The numbers don't matter, since a single ISD is still worth a thousand Star Trek ships. 😉

If you didn't post in this thread I wouldn't call you a coward but you've put up an argument despite this not being the actual debate.

Sound logic in Quanchi style. And, also Quanchi style, a nice lie:

You calling me coward, for declining a Battlezone challenge and you doing it again

So, by your own rules of conduct: I call you out for a debate, you refuse, you're a coward. Easy math. And now a fact. Please change your usertitle into "Class A Chicken"

I said I'll respond to them after Beyond releases. Everytime I ever mention an official debate you come up with a thousand excuses as to why you can't do it. The laughable argument you put up will be destroyed by in movie references, common sense, and logic. I think you're shitting your pants and the funniest part is we won't even see the Klingon empire and you're already shitting your pants. We see the best from Star Wars but haven't even seen all aspects of the impressive forces in the Trek universe and you still want to run and hide.

You are the only person here that tries to worm out of a Star Trek vs Star Wars challenge right now. Because of not wanting to reveal your "aces" (lmao).

That is canon so it supports my claims but I wouldn't cite it. I don't have to as we see him clearly not besting Jango Fett while using the force in the battle against him. We also see it used against Grievous and he needed a blaster to win. Kinda weak argument and not supported by your wild and fanboyish claims.

You may want to research where Grievous cough was coming from, smartass. That was Windu, force crushing the chest of the cyborg. And there are countless times in the Clone Wars were people get outright killed or at least owned completely by applications of the Force. I wonder how you managed to miss them. Oh, yes. Confirmation bias. Ignorance.

Khan would shoot him while he used the force to drop a structure.
It leaves him wide open. Khan shoots in far less than a second and we see Dooku taking multiple seconds to do so. We see Kenobi defenseless against a force choke but somehow survive. We go by real time not fanboyism claims of what Dooku can do. I mean I wouldn't cite this but Hondo and his men capture this Sith turd. Humiliating, yes ?

I can just ask again: Did you even watch a single Star Wars movie or other material from that franchise?

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Dooku force pushing, force choking and throwing Kenobi around with mere gestures in the middle of a lightsaber fight with two opponents. I wonder how Khan would shoot at anything, while being supended in mid-air and being chocked to death at the same time? Ah yes...

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Dooku force chokes the one guy, makes him draw his weapon and shoot the second guy before snapping his neck. So Khan wouldn't shoot anybody here, since he would be instantly inable to even move his weapon in the right direction. Thanks for playing, Quanchimon. Force > Khan proven. End of story.

No, it isn't since we see he can clearly bend that part but his legs which are more powerful than his arms hurt himself kicking him. It's called common sense. We see his strength fail to drive Anakin back unlike Khan whose kicked men back twenty plus feet. Common sense. Kenobi can't crush a skull with his bare hands, nerd.

It is actually called ignorance, Quanchi.

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Let us ignore for a moment that Grievous, in terms of superhuman strength, is clearly superior to Khan (putting dents into metal with his hands, that kick he delives at Kenobi from the ground): Kenobi grabs his torso armor and bents the armor plating aside. Those parts were clearly not intended to be moveable.

So ? The ship fired once. Jango's weaponry disarmed him. Jango took him on and Kenobi used the force but not to beat Jango because it doesn't work that way, you don't get to ignore showings and cite fanboyism claims not supported by the facts.

Again. I wonder what version of the duel you did see. Actually, that fight illustrates quite nicely, why Jedi > Khan.

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0.30 - 0.35: Jango fires rocket at Kenobi which explodes right in front of the Jedi Master with a massive blast. Kenobi is thrown backwards and, yes, he loses his lightsaber. He still isn't even hurt by the explosion.

0.38 - 0.43: Boba Fett fires at least eight shots from the Slave-I canons and hits Kenobi almost directly. The Jedi is thrown backwards but once more appears to be completely not hurt by the explosion right next to him. And compared to those weapons, Khan's gun is a minor toy.

0.43 - 0.50: After having just mere seconds to recover from that massive hits, Kenobi can jump rather high into the air to kick Jango Fett attacking him with his jet pack. Despite the fact that Jango wears armor, that kick delivers enough hurt to make him drop his gun.

1.08 - 1.20: Despite being pulled around hanging on a metal cable, Kenobi manages to get up and pull against the force of Jango's jet pack and backs that up with enough strength to make Jango lose that jet pack.

1.55 - 2.05: While dropping down after Jango releases the cable, Kenobi is perfectly capable of sorting that thing out mid-air and manages to hit the railing of the building with a single throw. Than manages to hold on to that capable after being brought to full stop after a 8 second free fall drop. So he would have been decelerated from about 300 km/h to 0 in the fraction of a second and manages to hold on to that cable? Seriously. Khan is not even close in terms of superhuman abilities.

Nah, it shows I will debate the topic thoroughly in the official debate not against some coward who wants to subtract a film and start it now. That's cowardice at its finest.

More evasion, little princess? You (and anybody else) will probably have forgotten that little challenge here until the movie is out, and since you claim to have all the aces up your sleeve right now, why not use them?

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Originally posted by Nai
And I suggest not attempting to worm out of the situation, vermin.

Obviously, I would need to react to your "arguments", no matter how ridiculous they are, even though I know you can't win. So there would be need to spend more time on this, because you decide to chicken out right now.

You were directly comparing the stuff Khan came up with to the Imperial arsenal, which includes two Death Stars. My "simplistic" mind is apparently more able to graps the nonsense you produce than your own non-existant intellect.

Probably because you lost the last judged one with flying colors, since your usual tactics (switch rules mid-debate) weren't accepted by the judge. Pathetic.

The numbers don't matter, since a single ISD is still worth a thousand Star Trek ships. 😉

Sound logic in Quanchi style. And, also Quanchi style, a nice lie:

You calling me coward, for declining a Battlezone challenge and you doing it again

So, by your own rules of conduct: I call you out for a debate, you refuse, you're a coward. Easy math. And now a fact. Please change your usertitle into "Class A Chicken"

You are the only person here that tries to worm out of a Star Trek vs Star Wars challenge right now. Because of not wanting to reveal your "aces" (lmao).

You may want to research where Grievous cough was coming from, smartass. That was Windu, force crushing the chest of the cyborg. And there are countless times in the Clone Wars were people get outright killed or at least owned completely by applications of the Force. I wonder how you managed to miss them. Oh, yes. Confirmation bias. Ignorance.

I can just ask again: Did you even watch a single Star Wars movie or other material from that franchise?

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Dooku force pushing, force choking and throwing Kenobi around with mere gestures in the middle of a lightsaber fight with two opponents. I wonder how Khan would shoot at anything, while being supended in mid-air and being chocked to death at the same time? Ah yes...

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1:02 - 1:16
Dooku force chokes the one guy, makes him draw his weapon and shoot the second guy before snapping his neck. So Khan wouldn't shoot anybody here, since he would be instantly inable to even move his weapon in the right direction. Thanks for playing, Quanchimon. Force > Khan proven. End of story.

It is actually called ignorance, Quanchi.

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Let us ignore for a moment that Grievous, in terms of superhuman strength, is clearly superior to Khan (putting dents into metal with his hands, that kick he delives at Kenobi from the ground): Kenobi grabs his torso armor and bents the armor plating aside. Those parts were clearly not intended to be moveable.

Again. I wonder what version of the duel you did see. Actually, that fight illustrates quite nicely, why Jedi > Khan.

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0.30 - 0.35: Jango fires rocket at Kenobi which explodes right in front of the Jedi Master with a massive blast. Kenobi is thrown backwards and, yes, he loses his lightsaber. He still isn't even hurt by the explosion.

0.38 - 0.43: Boba Fett fires at least eight shots from the Slave-I canons and hits Kenobi almost directly. The Jedi is thrown backwards but once more appears to be completely not hurt by the explosion right next to him. And compared to those weapons, Khan's gun is a minor toy.

0.43 - 0.50: After having just mere seconds to recover from that massive hits, Kenobi can jump rather high into the air to kick Jango Fett attacking him with his jet pack. Despite the fact that Jango wears armor, that kick delivers enough hurt to make him drop his gun.

1.08 - 1.20: Despite being pulled around hanging on a metal cable, Kenobi manages to get up and pull against the force of Jango's jet pack and backs that up with enough strength to make Jango lose that jet pack.

1.55 - 2.05: While dropping down after Jango releases the cable, Kenobi is perfectly capable of sorting that thing out mid-air and manages to hit the railing of the building with a single throw. Than manages to hold on to that capable after being brought to full stop after a 8 second free fall drop. So he would have been decelerated from about 300 km/h to 0 in the fraction of a second and manages to hold on to that cable? Seriously. Khan is not even close in terms of superhuman abilities.

More evasion, little princess? You (and anybody else) will probably have forgotten that little challenge here until the movie is out, and since you claim to have all the aces up your sleeve right now, why not use them?

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There is no third film, dummy. I said I need the numbers as well as the superior weaponry. After the third film based off what I know but I'll still need to use the evidence after the film hits. You wanting to have this before Beyond hits is telling you're a sissy and scared of Trek might.

And with the massive manpower that the Death Stars require and the lack of mobility it just compare to the Dreadnought class. One man if necessary and three times the speed. Death Stars can't even move. 😂

You just made something up that never happened. Nai, you're very ignorant. Indeed you are pathetic.

That's absurd so accept the debate so I can obliterate you with evidence. You're a fanboy of the highest order.

I put up a clear battlezone challenge. You've come in said you won't debate, then don't debate the op. The challenge is specific. I am not debating two Trek films. I am debating three Trek films vs three Wars films. You're in my thread, troll. Man up you pansy. You're in my thread, troll. You don't even post here normally.

Trilogy vs. trilogy. It's apparent you don't think they have a snowballs chance in hell after Beyond releases.

Yeah, Windu didn't kill him nor could the Jedi until Kenobi did. Grevious ran wild for a long time despite the Jedi order being unable to thus proving my points. Grievous isn't Khan. He doesn't have superhuman cellular regeneration.

Yes, Dooku beat a guy with the same skillset but he's more powerful and has more experience. That isn't relevant to Khan at all. Kenobi attacked him multiple times beforehand. He wasn't force choked as soon as he came up to Dooku. Watch the clip. Khan plugs at least five shots before Dooku knows what hits him.

😂 the guy does not even know Dooku is there. He cheapshot force chokes him. You're an idiot. It's like me posting a video where Khan shoots a guy while he's hiding and unaware of Khan and saying there's the proof. Ffs you're a moron. The context of the scene eludes you.

Grievous is stronger than Kenobi as well. So acting like it's even close is again another lie. That plate is bendable. For **** sake it isn't that impressive we have seen Kenobi attack a human being and he doesn't crush skulls or even knock Anakin back anywhere near as far as Knan has. It isn't close in strength. Jango roughed his ***** ass up.

Jango fires and misses but the explosion which doesn't hit his body directly still disarms him. Weak. It has to hit him to hurt him. You're a joke when it comes to the evidence. You're a fanboy.

The weapon doesn't even damage Kenobi or the ground. It isn't comparable at all to Khan's weapons which vaporizes armored foes and brings down Klingon ships.

It does not hurt him he just loses his gun because he's kicked in the air. Jango takes him on just fine. Khan one shots a Klingon with body armor on with a kick. 😂

So ?

He used the force to do so which doesn't require super strength it is just the force aiding him. Calm the **** down. He lost at this point because Jango escaped.

Three films to three films. Accept and let's get this on in the summer. Your fanboyism and Star Wars posturing is duly noted. Talk is cheap. Accept and prepare to be annihilated.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The op made it clear so continue to troll. This is a challenge thread not the debate. Reread the op.

I challenged you to a new debate thrice now. You back down. Coward.

There is no third film, dummy. I said I need the numbers as well as the superior weaponry. After the third film based off what I know but I'll still need to use the evidence after the film hits. You wanting to have this before Beyond hits is telling you're a sissy and scared of Trek might.

Oh. You need "numbers" of ships of which we have no idea what they can do and "superior weaponry" we likewise don't have a clue what it can do in order to win? Really? So you happily accept that, as it is, SW would destroy NuTrek? Interesting.

And with the massive manpower that the Death Stars require and the lack of mobility it just compare to the Dreadnought class. One man if necessary and three times the speed. Death Stars can't even move. 😂

Apparently, you really are a moron who has never seen a SW movie.
Death Stars can't move? I wonder how ANH even works, where the Death Star does clearly move from the Alderaan system to the Yavin system (in several hours, faster than any ST ship) and manages to circle the gas-giant Yavin in order to destroy the Rebel base on Yavin 4.

You just made something up that never happened. Nai, you're very ignorant. Indeed you are pathetic.

Oh. Yes. Of course: What is this, then? You running away from a Battlezone? Or this? Or that one?

Hell. How often did you do the "Khan vs Force User" debate and had your ass handed to you? Hilarious!

That's absurd so accept the debate so I can obliterate you with evidence. You're a fanboy of the highest order.

You're a poser who can't debate his way out of a matchbox. Stop crying.

I put up a clear battlezone challenge. You've come in said you won't debate, then don't debate the op. The challenge is specific. I am not debating two Trek films. I am debating three Trek films vs three Wars films. You're in my thread, troll. Man up you pansy. You're in my thread, troll. You don't even post here normally.

You're debating nothing, as nobody wants to play with you.

Trilogy vs. trilogy. It's apparent you don't think they have a snowballs chance in hell after Beyond releases.

I said it multiple times, that Beyond won't change much.

Yeah, Windu didn't kill him nor could the Jedi until Kenobi did. Grevious ran wild for a long time despite the Jedi order being unable to thus proving my points. Grievous isn't Khan. He doesn't have superhuman cellular regeneration.

Correct. Grievous > Khan in terms of speed, strength and skill.

Yes, Dooku beat a guy with the same skillset but he's more powerful and has more experience. That isn't relevant to Khan at all. Kenobi attacked him multiple times beforehand. He wasn't force choked as soon as he came up to Dooku. Watch the clip. Khan plugs at least five shots before Dooku knows what hits him.

Dooku makes a gesture and Khan is unable to move, suspended in mid-air and either chocked to death or gets his neck snapped.

😂 the guy does not even know Dooku is there. He cheapshot force chokes him. You're an idiot. It's like me posting a video where Khan shoots a guy while he's hiding and unaware of Khan and saying there's the proof. Ffs you're a moron. The context of the scene eludes you.

Urm. You know that people who can't use the force don't have any defense against Force powers? So it doesn't matter whether Dooku is in front of people or behind them. They can't do jack shit in order to stop him. Neither could Khan. Which is the fact that always eludes you.

Grievous is stronger than Kenobi as well. So acting like it's even close is again another lie. That plate is bendable. For **** sake it isn't that impressive we have seen Kenobi attack a human being and he doesn't crush skulls or even knock Anakin back anywhere near as far as Knan has. It isn't close in strength. Jango roughed his ***** ass up.

Already throwing an e-tantrum, Quanchimon? 🙂
Yes. Grievous is a cyborg, so he is physically stronger than Kenobi. Yet, the Jedi still manages to floor him in melee combat. And that is the same Kenobi who could duel Anakin, who in turn was able to sustain the weight of himself, Kenobi and Palpatine on one hand (RotS escape from Grievous flagship). So?

And we could watch Dooku fighting again. He kicks Anakin around behind his back, and still Anakin goes flying several meters, which is at least as impressive as Khan kicking people. 😉

Jango fires and misses but the explosion which doesn't hit his body directly still disarms him. Weak. It has to hit him to hurt him. You're a joke when it comes to the evidence. You're a fanboy.

Yeah. You need to stand in the middle of an explosion in order to get hurt. 🙄 Especially considering the fact that the explosion does throw Kenobi through the air...

The weapon doesn't even damage Kenobi or the ground. It isn't comparable at all to Khan's weapons which vaporizes armored foes and brings down Klingon ships.

Probably because the ground is harder than the asteroids we see the same weapon firing through with ease? And "bringing down Klingon ships" was just possible because of shooting the pilots - which Khan did.

He used the force to do so which doesn't require super strength it is just the force aiding him. Calm the **** down. He lost at this point because Jango escaped.

Oh. The Force is capable of letting Kenobi cling on that cable? Interesting. It's apparently also capable of letting Anakin Skywalker survive a several hundred meter free fall at which end he grabs onto a fast moving air speed without sustaining any injury. It also helps Kenobi deflect the blast from the aformentioned explosions. And it gives them superspeed and precognition.

How exactly do Khans guns do against the force? He won't even hit a Jedi / Sith since they would know that he fires, before he fires and can dodge with superhuman speed.

Three films to three films. Accept and let's get this on in the summer. Your fanboyism and Star Wars posturing is duly noted. Talk is cheap. Accept and prepare to be annihilated.

Exactly. Talk is cheap. As you still run away from having any kind of SW vs ST debate with me right now, you're still a posing coward that doesn't deserve any kind of respect. Thanks for clarification of your status as Class A Chicken. 👆

Originally posted by Nai
I challenged you to a new debate thrice now. You back down. Coward.

Oh. You need "numbers" of ships of which we have no idea what they can do and "superior weaponry" we likewise don't have a clue what it can do in order to win? Really? So you happily accept that, as it is, SW would destroy NuTrek? Interesting.

Apparently, you really are a moron who has never seen a SW movie.
Death Stars can't move? I wonder how ANH even works, where the Death Star does clearly move from the Alderaan system to the Yavin system (in several hours, faster than any ST ship) and manages to circle the gas-giant Yavin in order to destroy the Rebel base on Yavin 4.

Oh. Yes. Of course: What is this, then? You running away from a Battlezone? Or this? Or that one?

Hell. How often did you do the "Khan vs Force User" debate and had your ass handed to you? Hilarious!

You're a poser who can't debate his way out of a matchbox. Stop crying.

You're debating nothing, as nobody wants to play with you.

I said it multiple times, that Beyond won't change much.

Correct. Grievous > Khan in terms of speed, strength and skill.

Dooku makes a gesture and Khan is unable to move, suspended in mid-air and either chocked to death or gets his neck snapped.

Urm. You know that people who can't use the force don't have any defense against Force powers? So it doesn't matter whether Dooku is in front of people or behind them. They can't do jack shit in order to stop him. Neither could Khan. Which is the fact that always eludes you.

Already throwing an e-tantrum, Quanchimon? 🙂
Yes. Grievous is a cyborg, so he is physically stronger than Kenobi. Yet, the Jedi still manages to floor him in melee combat. And that is the same Kenobi who could duel Anakin, who in turn was able to sustain the weight of himself, Kenobi and Palpatine on one hand (RotS escape from Grievous flagship). So?

And we could watch Dooku fighting again. He kicks Anakin around behind his back, and still Anakin goes flying several meters, which is at least as impressive as Khan kicking people. 😉

Yeah. You need to stand in the middle of an explosion in order to get hurt. 🙄 Especially considering the fact that the explosion does throw Kenobi through the air...

Probably because the ground is harder than the asteroids we see the same weapon firing through with ease? And "bringing down Klingon ships" was just possible because of shooting the pilots - which Khan did.

Oh. The Force is capable of letting Kenobi cling on that cable? Interesting. It's apparently also capable of letting Anakin Skywalker survive a several hundred meter free fall at which end he grabs onto a fast moving air speed without sustaining any injury. It also helps Kenobi deflect the blast from the aformentioned explosions. And it gives them superspeed and precognition.

How exactly do Khans guns do against the force? He won't even hit a Jedi / Sith since they would know that he fires, before he fires and can dodge with superhuman speed.

Exactly. Talk is cheap. As you still run away from having any kind of SW vs ST debate with me right now, you're still a posing coward that doesn't deserve any kind of respect. Thanks for clarification of your status as Class A Chicken. 👆

In war you usually need tech, weaponry, and numbers. No, that isn't true. If we took the totality of Trek vs Wars it'd be a stomp since they have various other empires, the Borg, Q, etc. I'm doing you a favor and making it just trilogy vs trilogy. You want two films vs. three films. You begging for an unfair debate and one I never expressed an interest in is you demonstrating extreme uncertainty and lack of faith in your position.

They can't move in combat. Must I spell everything out for you. We never see them maneuver while under the duress of combat.

I've never had my ass handed to me. Look at both of my battlezones thus far reaping Khan vs Vader and Sidious as of now. Get back to me when you've been illuminated.

If I can't debate my way out of a matchbox accept this challenge after the movie releases. We can wait until after the DVD release of Star Trek:Beyond and you can pick the timeframe when it works for you.

I already have someone who accepted it but to get your pansy ass in an official debate I'd definitely push him to the side. Accept it. Do what must be done. If you're so good and I'm so bad you can't not accept without looking bad.

You haven't seen the film and saying nothing will change is a very biased response. You don't even know what the federation will do in the film nor what the frontier's numbers will end up being. We already know via the director 4,000 plus ships. I think that number scares the **** out of you.

False, he was pathetic in combat. Khan is far more skilled with his weaponry than Grievous is. Khan would defeat him with a shot or two. We see a blaster just dust him despite his shitty plated armor.

Khan shoots him. His reflexes are quicker and he's much more ruthless than Dooku is. We don't see him do this right out of the gate to Kenobi and he gets in multiple movements against Dooku so quite misrepresenting the evidence like you always do.

They can attack or actually defend themselves. It's like saying shooting someone in the head who is unaware. That doesn't prove shit so ffs quit using showings that are irrelevant in comparing Khan to Dooku. Dude, the clones eradicated the Jedi despite not possessing any force powers so yes it's irrelevant. If the clones were just standing around yes force powers can force choke them without any fear of reprisal.

Grievous crushes him in melee combat. Kenobi needed a weapon to win. Kenobi was the same guy easily ko'd by a force push. Kenobi is the same guy easily downed by Dooku in aotc as well. That still isn't as impressive as crushing a skull so continue to exaggerate Star Wars feats. It's what you do.

Anakin doesn't go back as far as when Khan kicks someone aboard the uss vengeance. Dooku also can't crush skulls which is harder to do than kick people back that distance.

😂

So you're saying blasters won't directly hurt Kenobi ? The gunfire didn't hit him. Period. It didn't destroy the ground. Weak blasts. It's Star Wars tech so I am not surprised.

Prove that. So you're saying Khan saw the pilots and has the skill to shoot them while being attacked by multiple foes. You actually complimented Khan you ninny. When did we see the Klingon pilots in any of those scenes ? You just seem to make shit up and baseless claim your way through a debate. This is why you will pussy out of this debate because deep down you know you're ****ed and Trek wins but you're too scared to wait until Star Trek Beyond releases.

It can guide it just as you claimed it guided Luke's laser shot. You're a hypocrite. Your logic changes from point to point because you're biased and all that matters in your infantile mind is that Wars wins despite the facts and logic. Baseless claims. Nah, the force needs to be concentrated on to use not when you're busy being blasted back. Do you know how the force works ?

They hit the guy using the force just how the clones eradicated the Jedi order. Facts. Don't let them stand in the way of your fanboyism. Continue to pound your chest and ignoring the films portrayal of the force.

I'll have this debate after the DVD releases when you're ready. No excuse now since I'll wait on when you grow a pair of nuts.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What don't you get about that I'm not going to compromise this debate ? Trilogy vs trilogy. Period.

We all have understood by now that you're a coward. No need to embarrass yourself further, Clownchi. And since you seem to be as dense as a brick wall: I challenged you to have any kind of SW vs ST debate. Make it 2 SW movies vs the new ST films, if you like. Instead of attempting to explain your cowardice, you could have moved by now. Afraid?

In war you usually need tech, weaponry, and numbers. No, that isn't true. If we took the totality of Trek vs Wars it'd be a stomp since they have various other empires, the Borg, Q, etc. I'm doing you a favor and making it just trilogy vs trilogy. You want two films vs. three films. You begging for an unfair debate and one I never expressed an interest in is you demonstrating extreme uncertainty and lack of faith in your position.

If we took the totality of Trek vs Wars, it'd be a stomp - for the Star Wars side. Even limiting Star Wars to the current (Disney) canon, it would still win.

And, well, since you call people cowards that aren't interested in debating with you, you're a coward yourself, because not being interested in a debate. Quanchilogic apparently just doesn't count when it is used against Quanchi. 👆 🙄

They can't move in combat. Must I spell everything out for you. We never see them maneuver while under the duress of combat.

*facepalm*

Urm. Why would a spherical battlestation that is equipped with guns on all sides and that features a nigh impenetrable defense system need to "manouver" in combat exactly?

But, you know: We see them continuing their flight around the gas giant Yavin in order to target the Rebel Base in "A New Hope" (manouvering while being attacked), much as we see them targeting various Rebel targets with the main superlaser in "Return of the Jedi" (just manouvering for targeting on a stationary place). So I'm once again back at the question: Did you ever watch a single Star Wars movie?

I've never had my ass handed to me. Look at both of my battlezones thus far reaping Khan vs Vader and Sidious as of now. Get back to me when you've been illuminated.

Let me see.

You quit.
You quit, after crying like a little girl.
You about to get your ass handed to you - as usual - if DarthAnt finds the time (or motivation) to reply.

So?

If I can't debate my way out of a matchbox accept this challenge after the movie releases. We can wait until after the DVD release of Star Trek:Beyond and you can pick the timeframe when it works for you.

Maybe you should make challenges on some point close to the time-frame of when you want to have them. Given that "Beyond" is released in July, we won't be seeing any DVD release before January or February (if they follow the usual time frame for that). That is more than a year from now.

I already have someone who accepted it but to get your pansy ass in an official debate I'd definitely push him to the side. Accept it. Do what must be done. If you're so good and I'm so bad you can't not accept without looking bad.

Your fangirling over me is certainly understandable, but you shouldn't push other people aside because of that. Especially since that already reveals your dishonesty. You should go with the first one that agreed to play with you. Instead, you were opting for Dark Thor and now me. Pacta sunt servanda, Quanchimon.

You haven't seen the film and saying nothing will change is a very biased response. You don't even know what the federation will do in the film nor what the frontier's numbers will end up being. We already know via the director 4,000 plus ships. I think that number scares the **** out of you.

*sigh*

I don't need to know anything about it, because observation and math indicate, that a single star destroyer would pretty much curbstomp anything the ST universe has to offer fleet wise (until this day). Those "4,000" ships are those less-than-fighter-sized things we see flying around (and through) the Enterprise in the trailer, which don't bother me at all. And also a big laugh about "being scared" about anything in the context of KMC, debates or movies.

False, he was pathetic in combat. Khan is far more skilled with his weaponry than Grievous is. Khan would defeat him with a shot or two. We see a blaster just dust him despite his shitty plated armor.

I know that you're big in the ignoring context business. Applying it, would mean that you would put Khan into the exact same situation that Kenobi was in: Having to face Grievous in a lightsaber duel and in hand-to-hand combat. In both instances, Khan would get his ass handed to him in seconds.

Khan shoots him. His reflexes are quicker and he's much more ruthless than Dooku is. We don't see him do this right out of the gate to Kenobi and he gets in multiple movements against Dooku so quite misrepresenting the evidence like you always do.

Precognition + superspeed > Reflexes.

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1:13 - 1:19: Kenobi and Qui-Gon disappear in a blur, dodging shots that are fired at them from a few meters away. So Khan can fire at thin air when dueling a force user greater than Padawan Kenobi.

They can attack or actually defend themselves.

Dooku has assumed complete control over the guy via a mystical energy field only Force users have access to. The guy is clearly incable of moving on his own. So how should he attack or defend himself exactly?

It's like saying shooting someone in the head who is unaware. That doesn't prove shit so ffs quit using showings that are irrelevant in comparing Khan to Dooku. Dude, the clones eradicated the Jedi despite not possessing any force powers so yes it's irrelevant. If the clones were just standing around yes force powers can force choke them without any fear of reprisal.

You're comparing apples to oranges. Awareness doesn't help to defend oneself against Force attacks.
And talking about things that are "irrelevant": How is the Clones attacking the Jedi relevant to this? Is Khan going to serve in a war for three years along the Jedi, just to take one of them out in a backstabbing act? You know very well that, in a head on fight, Clones have zero chances against Force users. As seen here:

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Or in virtual every other fight in which Force users are confronted with "normal people" or even armies worth of droids.

Grievous crushes him in melee combat. Kenobi needed a weapon to win. Kenobi was the same guy easily ko'd by a force push. Kenobi is the same guy easily downed by Dooku in aotc as well. That still isn't as impressive as crushing a skull so continue to exaggerate Star Wars feats. It's what you do.

Grievous would also easily crush Khan in melee combat. Where is the point? Being ko'd by a force push? Would happen to Khan, too. Getting downed by Dooku? Yup. Khan would get his ass handed to him, despite all his skull crushing strength. Because the Force > physical strength.

Anakin doesn't go back as far as when Khan kicks someone aboard the uss vengeance. Dooku also can't crush skulls which is harder to do than kick people back that distance.

Yeah. Dooku can just crush giant metal columns with the Force. I wonder what happens when he tries the same with some poor guys head. What would stop him from doing that to Khan again, just as example?

So you're saying blasters won't directly hurt Kenobi ? The gunfire didn't hit him. Period. It didn't destroy the ground. Weak blasts. It's Star Wars tech so I am not surprised.

🙄

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2:00 - 2:25: We see those little guns in actions, that pretty much break through asteroids easily on rapid fire. So not "weak blasts" but a damn solid ground and a Jedi probably protecting himself via the Force, unless you have an alternative explanation to offer.

You may also want to note that the Slave I, with some of the seismic charges, destroys rather large parts of the asteroid field. And that is a civil aircraft piloted by a single individual. 😉

Prove that. So you're saying Khan saw the pilots and has the skill to shoot them while being attacked by multiple foes. You actually complimented Khan you ninny. When did we see the Klingon pilots in any of those scenes ? You just seem to make shit up and baseless claim your way through a debate. This is why you will pussy out of this debate because deep down you know you're ****ed and Trek wins but you're too scared to wait until Star Trek Beyond releases.

Pardon me. Did you watch "Into Darkness" by chance? He takes down two klingon ships. He shoots the cockpit on both occassions. So he doesn't "destroy the ships" but kill the pilots with results in the ships crashing. Meaning you're just overestimating the firepower of that gun.

And I know what Khan is capable of, Quanchimon. It just won't do any good against a Force user out to kill him, because - and here's the inside scoop - he has no means of defending himself against the Force, which can be used to immobilize and kill (offensive) and grants precognition, super speed and the ability to absorb energy (defensive).

It can guide it just as you claimed it guided Luke's laser shot. You're a hypocrite. Your logic changes from point to point because you're biased and all that matters in your infantile mind is that Wars wins despite the facts and logic. Baseless claims. Nah, the force needs to be concentrated on to use not when you're busy being blasted back. Do you know how the force works ?

I know how the Force works. Do you?
I mean, seriously. You assume that some weird level of concentration is needed to use the Force, yet the Jedi are constantly doing it in combat (precognition, blaster deflection) and you assume that Kenobi can do it in free fall to aim a cable throw and cling to aforementioned cable. Anakin can do it while dropping down on Coruscant or, apparently, just keep himself alive with raw hatred after having lost three limbs, most of his skin and had his lungs burned. Well. But, clearly, stopping the blast wave of an explosion must be beyond them. 🙄

They hit the guy using the force just how the clones eradicated the Jedi order. Facts. Don't let them stand in the way of your fanboyism. Continue to pound your chest and ignoring the films portrayal of the force.

They hit the Jedi pretty much in the back, while being in a position of trust for them. We even see that some of the Jedi apparently sense the attacks coming, before they happening but they don't trust their precognition - or are pretty much surrounded by former friends that became enemies. Maybe you want to fetch a dictionary and find out what "context" is, Goofy.

I'll have this debate after the DVD releases when you're ready. No excuse now since I'll wait on when you grow a pair of nuts.

Pardon me, princess. It is still you evading the debate now and proclaiming you want it - maybe - in a years. Which probably depends upon how good "Beyond" works for your side of the argument. I'd advice to grow a brain instead of nuts, as you already appear to be thinking with the ones you have...inside your ovaries. 👆

Nai, when you back down from accepting this which I know you will I'll keep these comments here and I'll come for you after my official battlezone has finished. So the ball is in your court with your laughable arguments in a battlezone challenge thread. Very rarely do I see someone so desperately trying to prove himself to me without accepting the challenge.

But as I said I keep my aces withheld and am not going to have this debate until Beyond hits. You don't get to undermine the very point of this thread and will have to wait so just accept already. Quit running. Do an official debate and out your money where your mouth is, sport.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nai, when you back down from accepting this which I know you will I'll keep these comments here and I'll come for you after my official battlezone has finished.

"I will debate you 2017. Really. I will." Pathetic.

So the ball is in your court with your laughable arguments in a battlezone challenge thread. Very rarely do I see someone so desperately trying to prove himself to me without accepting the challenge.

"I will debate you sometime in summer or in 2017. Or one of the four other guys I have invited to this Battlezone, of whom two have already accepted the challenge. Really. I will." Laughable.

But as I said I keep my aces withheld and am not going to have this debate until Beyond hits. You don't get to undermine the very point of this thread and will have to wait so just accept already. Quit running. Do an official debate and out your money where your mouth is, sport.

"I need aces to win debates. I can't really reveal my points before because... Reasons...Thus I cannot debate with you now. But I will. In summer. Or 2017."

Seriously, Quanchi. If you need to withhold information from your opposition in order to win debates, you're just pathetic. If you were so convinced about your own arguments, you could have the public examine them now, instead of keeping them away. But you're afraid, because you know that they will be shot down in an instant. If they even exist. As I said: Nothing but hot air of a posing coward. Boring.