Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No, she's obviously not his sister, that's retarded. She's so ****ing obviously ther daughter.Yeah, no shit. Her skill was completely raw. She didn't beat Kylo Ren through her mastery with a lightsaber, but through her command of the Force blossoming into existence.
She realized her potential. The potential as the heir to Luke Skywalker, who in return was the heir to the Chosen One.
She won because she's more powerful with the Force. The Force worked through her and overcame him, just like we've seen Skywalker's do before.
And no, Skywalker molested Dooku and chopped off his head. He didn't lose, the hell? And the "power boost" was found through a change of mental state and a realization of potential and where to find power.
Rey discovered her version of this, used it, and won because of it. I'm not saying we should completely ignore his defeat, but going "kylo ren sux dik" is laughable and pathetic.
I probably won't respond to your next post. I have other things to do.
Terrible analogy. Anakin had been trained for a considerable amount of time to gain considerable knowledge and power to do what he did. It wasn't just some connection to the force and enlightenment he had. He even says, my powers have increased since AOTC. She had f all in terms of training and preparation... and still beat him... relatively easily. It was a poor showing, stop making excuses for it. He got beat by an absolute noob.
Even when Luke faced his father in ESB... he still lost.. and at that point at least had training, more training than her. It was pretty pathetic on his part. We can try and excuse it away, but it was a piss poor showing. Even if she's Luke's daughter... He's Leia son... who in theory, should have the same force potential. So that doesn't really mesh either. Poor showing, plain and simple
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You don't say... so where was her extensive training shown? Did she have any? She didn't even know she had force powers till the middle of the movie, and even then, certainly had no training with it. Yet, she still managed to defeat him... and this is remotely impressive for him how?
Okay. Apparently, I need to spell it out for you.
Her talent in the Force is obviously freaking insane.
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[*]Does some absolutely impossible manouver(s) with the Falcon, despite having never operated a spaceship before. The last manouver in that first flight sequence requires some insane prediction skills and she manages to pull that off with a ship she's not familiar with.
[*]Instinctivly knows the Falcon inside-out. In fact, as good as Han does - even better. Where did she get that knowledge from?
[*]Just hours (a day?) after being taught that the Force exists, she outright resists being mind-raped by Kylo and, in fact, does the same to him while merely attempting to resist his abilities.
[*]Some time later figures out how to do a mind-trick on her own.
[*]Picks up a lightsaber and wields the weapon like an expert. At least better than Fynn who, going by the trooper he faces in melee-combat, probably had some military training with melee weapons.
[*]Instinctivly lets the Force guide her actions in order to defeat Kylo, in what appeared to be an instance of "oneness".
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I mean. Seriously? Neither Luke nor Anakin did show that kind of familiarity with the Force, within that rather short time-frame after being introduced to the very concept of it. Which suggest that Rey's force potential is possible even beyond that of Luke and Anakin but most definitely on par with them.
And Kylo? Yeah. The guy stops blaster bolts mid-air and runs around force stunning and mind-raping people. The latter would certainly have been handy for Vader in ANH ("Where are the droids?" at the beginning; "Where is the Rebel base?" with Leia later). Sure. His training isn't finished, but he is far from being a push-over.
Originally posted by Nai
I mean. Seriously? Neither Luke nor Anakin did show that kind of familiarity with the Force, within that rather short time-frame after being introduced to the very concept of it. Which suggest that Rey's force potential is possible even beyond that of Luke and Anakin but most definitely on par with them.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Where you ****ed up. She's also stated to not be an expert in sabers.
Yes. Welcome to Star Wars.
The universe, where Nomi Sunrider can pick up the weapon for the first time and "wield it like a master", thanks to her force connection. Where Anakin's decission to win the fight against Dooku renders Dooku's superior skill and experience void, due to Anakin's force potential. Where Darth Bane can essentially tool the by far more experienced, better trained an more skilled Kas'im in a lightsaber fight (before the latter decides to play "unfair"😉, because of his force connection. The universe were Darth Sidious, after not having had a saber in hand for a decade, can trash three battle-experienced Jedi Masters in split seconds, thanks to his force connection. Where Luke Skywalker can, the boy with less than half a year of "Jedi experience", can disarm Darth Vader, Jedi Killer par excellence in a temper-tantrum, thanks to his force connection.
Shall I go on or do you get the point?
Just watched the movie again, and I noticed that it clearly went out of its way to stress the power of the bowcaster, Han even uses it and says he likes the weapon (because it's so powerful, I'm assuming).
Kylo Ren was shot by a weapon that was shown in the movie to blow up stormtroopers, yet he still toyed with Finn, and easily disarmed him after Finn got a lucky hit. Then he went on to fight Rey who was on the defensive the whole fight until she got a boost from the force.
He makes it to 14.
Originally posted by Nai
Okay. Apparently, I need to spell it out for you.Her talent in the Force is obviously freaking insane.
[list]
[*]Does some absolutely impossible manouver(s) with the Falcon, despite having never operated a spaceship before. The last manouver in that first flight sequence requires some insane prediction skills and she manages to pull that off with a ship she's not familiar with.
[*]Instinctivly knows the Falcon inside-out. In fact, as good as Han does - even better. Where did she get that knowledge from?
[*]Just hours (a day?) after being taught that the Force exists, she outright resists being mind-raped by Kylo and, in fact, does the same to him while merely attempting to resist his abilities.
[*]Some time later figures out how to do a mind-trick on her own.
[*]Picks up a lightsaber and wields the weapon like an expert. At least better than Fynn who, going by the trooper he faces in melee-combat, probably had some military training with melee weapons.
[*]Instinctivly lets the Force guide her actions in order to defeat Kylo, in what appeared to be an instance of "oneness".
[/list]I mean. Seriously? Neither Luke nor Anakin did show that kind of familiarity with the Force, within that rather short time-frame after being introduced to the very concept of it. Which suggest that Rey's force potential is possible even beyond that of Luke and Anakin but most definitely on par with them.
And Kylo? Yeah. The guy stops blaster bolts mid-air and runs around force stunning and mind-raping people. The latter would certainly have been handy for Vader in ANH ("Where are the droids?" at the beginning; "Where is the Rebel base?" with Leia later). Sure. His training isn't finished, but he is far from being a push-over.
AND?? None of that surpasses what Luke and Anakin were shown doing. Both were stated to be superb pilots, instinctively good mind you. Shoot, Anakin as a young boy was already a renowned pilot and building robots like it was nothing. So let's not try and make it seem like she was anymore prodigious in the force than either Luke or Anakin. Here's the difference that makes his low showing worse than the others....
Anakin showed the some propensity for Force sensitiveness as Rey, and even exponentially more training, he still got pwned by Dooku the first time they met.
Luke showed some of the same force sensitive stuff as the others, and again, with more training than Rey... still lost to Vader the first time they met.
In stark contrast, Rey had next to no training at all, and yet, was still able to be Kylo.
Now before anybody talks about her being Luke's daughter and her force potential... Kylo is Leia son.. and thus would have the same blood running through him. What's worse, I'd reckon having Han Solo's DNA would be more advantageous than Padame's.
Point is, it was a very low showing for Kylo, and there are no two ways about it.
I will note that one doesn't have to be a Skywalker to have super-high force connection.
She could be this generation's Mace Windu, Kyp Durron, or as mentioned, Nomi Sunrider.
Originally posted by Rebel95
Just watched the movie again, and I noticed that it clearly went out of its way to stress the power of the bowcaster, Han even uses it and says he likes the weapon (because it's so powerful, I'm assuming).Kylo Ren was shot by a weapon that was shown in the movie to blow up stormtroopers, yet he still toyed with Finn, and easily disarmed him after Finn got a lucky hit. Then he went on to fight Rey who was on the defensive the whole fight until she got a boost from the force.
He makes it to 14.
Agreed up until your number.
He was quite hampered, but even unhampered he's unlikely to be able to take on Jedi Masters, Council Members, and Clone War veterans with a lot of duels under their belt.