Originally posted by The_Tempest
Yeah, the Windu/Sidious choreography was turrible. Kylo/Rey/Finn was better.
The entire fight of Sidious in his office was cringeworthy. Especially his "I will pull the blade backwards, hold it for two seconds and then stab you" movement, which still took people "by surprise". 😉
That's not saying much, though. And the "emotional" stakes were infinitely higher in that confrontation than Kylo/Rey/Finn ever was. {Since "emotion" is almost always what is referenced by those who favor OT depiction of duels.}
You do really want to argue something like "personal emotions"? I don't see much "emotion" in the Mace/Sidious duel - at least not from the perspective of the audience. Mace was just some side-character and Sidious just murdered three people the audience had next to zero connection with, where Kylo just
Spoiler:and - apparently - injured / killed Finn, one of the movies protagonists. I don't see how that - from the view of the audience - would be less "emotional" than Mace vs. Sidious.
killed Han Solo, one of the series protagonists
But many PT duels outstrip Kylo/Rey/Finn in terms of choreography, emotional stakes, or both.
"Many?"
The only PT duel that outstrips Kylo/Rey/Finn in both choreography and emotional stakes is Anakin vs Obi-Wan. One may add the seconds that Obi-Wan fights Maul after Qui-Gon's defeat.
The rest? Certainly better looking choreography, given that we have way more "physical" actors involved or CGI fights (Yoda vs Sidious / partly Anakin vs Dooku). The office fight in RotS being a big exception.
And people may want to get the hang on the fact that rather huge parts of the PT duels are completely senseless from the perspective of a swordfighter. One might point to Maul's acrobatics or that abysmal sequence in the Anakin-Obi-Wan-Duel, where they essentially stand in front of eachother, twisting their blades in circles behind their backs. In that regard, the "choreography" of TFA is - at the very least - more realistic. Especially, if we consider that we see two "newbies" and a heavily injured contestant fighting here. Hell. I was wondering, how Kylo even remained on his legs after eating that blaster shot...
I will mention- taking a Bowcaster shot and still being able to fight at all is a pretty impressive toughness feat. Remember the damage we saw that thing do.
Originally posted by McP
And yeah, he was wounded, but Finn should be a non-facotr anyway.
I disagree, a highly skilled mundane putting up a fight *but losing* to a heavily wounded incompletely trained force user makes sense to me.
I mean, Jango Fett has killed padawans with his bare hands, Cad Bane has done HtH stuff vs Kenobi without immediately dying, etc.. Finn's a very talented fighter, his problems as a Stormtrooper were in his conscience and hesitance.
^ Nai I take it you enjoyed the final duel then.. What are your thoughts on the movie?
Originally posted by Q99
I will mention- taking a Bowcaster shot and still being able to fight at all is a pretty impressive toughness feat. Remember the damage we saw that thing do.
True but I would just like to point out (relevant if discussing his durability at some point) that he did have metal armor around that area.
Originally posted by Agusto Pinochet
Idk Kylo Ren is a total lightweight lost to someone with no lightsaber/force experience and got wounded by a stormtrooper.
Yes but he was seriously wounded. I'm not sure why people don't get that.
It was a stupid fight to put into the movie, but let's not just ignore context.