How old is the Earth?

Originally posted by Surtur
^^^ So again bluewaterrider I ask: the above post is INDEED making you feel all kinds of wonder about where that confidence comes from, right?

Star actually doesn't seem to have all that much confidence in what he says. Or much staying power, for that matter. To be fair, however, trusting his listed birthdate to be accurate, Star has had a lot of time to have had faith shaken. And a lot of time to build a nearly soul-crushing store of sadness, bitterness, and anger. But Life in these United States causes that. And it's fairly natural for people to lash out at others as a result. Even if they proclaim Christian membership, which proscribes such behavior.

I'm glad that, after an initial lash out, Star DOES seem willing to re-examine and re-evaluate some of his positions. He used to laugh at me for my views on Catholicism, for instance. He doesn't do that now. I think it would be hard for anyone who gives that organization serious examination to do so, truthfully.
When even Christopher Hitchens is willing to admit the Catholic Church and/or many of its celebrated figures behave in a very UN-Christian manner, it warrants examination.

Originally posted by Star428
atheists ... have no interest in reading anything that might prove they've been wrong all along. So instead they just hurl insults and mock believers instead of learning the truth.

Star and I doubtless have areas of disagreement .

This section quoted from his paragraph above ISN'T one of them.

I note with sad but unsurprised interest that not one person has commented on what was contained in the link in my first post on page 1.

Perhaps re-posting will actually get one of you supposed atheists to actually examine and discuss it?

http://m.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/176247/Remembering_The_End_Of_The_WorldFull_Documentary/

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Star actually doesn't seem to have all that much confidence in what he says. Or much staying power, for that matter. To be fair, however, trusting his listed birthdate to be accurate, Star has had a lot of time to have had faith shaken. And a lot of time to build a nearly soul-crushing store of sadness, bitterness, and anger. But Life in these United States causes that. And it's fairly natural for people to lash out at others as a result. Even if they proclaim Christian membership, which proscribes such behavior.

I'm glad that, after an initial lash out, Star DOES seem willing to re-examine and re-evaluate some of his positions. He used to laugh at me for my views on Catholicism, for instance. He doesn't do that now. I think it would be hard for anyone who gives that organization serious examination to do so, truthfully.
When even Christopher Hitchens is willing to admit the Catholic Church and/or many of its celebrated figures behave in a very UN-Christian manner, it warrants examination.

LOL. I don't have much confidence in what I say? That's horeshit, dude. I guarantee you that I'm more secure in what I believe than you or any atheist in this thread. Do you just come into religious threads I post in for the express purpose of trying to deliberately piss me off? I remember you claiming you're a Christian too. No doubt a Catholic like Emperor dumb dumb. I didn't wanna believe what I heard about Catholics not really being Christians but the more I learn about what they believe and how they openly insult other Christians the more it seems to be true. My belief in God is unshakeable, dude. As is my belief in the 6 days of creation stated in the bible and the fact we all came from Adam and Eve. How dare you for suggesting I don't really believe what I say as if you really know jackshit about me. Perhaps, you're the one who is weak in what you believe.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Well, that just depends on what your standards are. Obviously, we have no way of directly experiencing the past, and the overwhelming odds are that we never will. That kind of hard proof is unobtainable without a Time Machine, and to ask it of either creationists or evolutionists is absurd.

All we can do is infer based on patterns that are observable in the present day, in an attempt to learn more about our past.

Sure, evolutionary theory is imperfect. We don't have nearly all of the answers, and no educated evolutionist would claim that we do.

The Bible also has it's fair share of crazy, so pick your poison I suppose.

Micro-Evolution and Macro-Evolution are the exact same thing taking place over differing amounts of time.

Throwing around lines like this in a discussion is redundant. I could say the same about religion. What's the point?

Again, only someone excessively illiterate in evolutionary theory would claim that humans are descended from monkeys.

According to mainstream evolutionary theory, monkeys descended from an earlier species that humans also descended from at some point in the past, yes. But that can be said about all life forms, so I'm not sure what makes monkeys any more mentionable than any other creature.

They're very similar to us biologically, which means they're probably more closely related to us than other animals, sure. But they're still our distant cousins at best, not our fathers. 😂

Dude, it's obvious you're just another ignorant atheist who doesn't care about facts or real science so I'm done arguing with you. And no, sorry but monkeys are nowhere in my bloodline but I'm beginning to think they're in yours though considering your ignorance. I'm done discussing this with such an arrogant ass atheist. Enjoy your ignorant baseless religion, atheist. We're done talking in this thread. I won't read anymore of your ignorant replies.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Star and I doubtless have areas of disagreement .

This section quoted from his paragraph above ISN'T one of them.

Eh, I know lots of atheists who've read the Bible and plenty of anti-atheist things.

I mean, heck, people here payed attention to and responded to the micro/macro/4-other-kinds-of-evolution thing, which is just someone not knowing what actually is considered evolution, and the splitting of one thing into two categories for no apparent reason.

I note with sad but unsurprised interest that not one person has commented on what was contained in the link in my first post on page 1.

Perhaps re-posting will actually get one of you supposed atheists to actually examine and discuss it?

http://m.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/176247/Remembering_The_End_Of_The_WorldFull_Documentary/

I think you're running into 'no-one wants to watch a long video just for an internet debate,'
(Or in my case, 'can't watch,' it doesn't even load for me) especially with no sum-up of what's inside and on a site with ads about giant human skeletons being found and aliens sending messages to our DNA. T-I complains about having to read more than three paragraphs in a post, and a long video takes a heck of a lot longer than reading any post.

It's more efficient if you make your own point, possibly based on what you learn in the video, and leave the link for those who want followup but don't just leave people with a cold link and tell them to do all the work.

Lesse, going back to the one line of what's inside it you actually made:

"He poses one of the most nagging questions I've seen: How did planets exert SO very much influence over people in the past in the eras BEFORE telescopes and magnifying lenses made them easily visible?"

In general? They didn't... though I will note, we totally knew about Venus and Mars and Jupiter and Saturn before telescopes. A lot of the planets are quite visible to the naked eye, just what they were was an unknown. Even Uranus is occasionally visible, though the ancients didn't notice it much despite that (says a lot that the barely-visible and not-so-visible [Neptune] yet clearly huge and significant objects in the solar system were only discovered with telescopes. One Greek astronomer is noted to have written down an observation that seems to corrospond to Uranus, but he thought nothing of it).

Venus is literally the brightest non-moon-or-sun in the Sky. Mars, Saturn, and Jupiter are near the top of the charts too. Top 5.

They were generally thought to be wandering stars or something, and as some of the brightest objects in the sky and following very different rules than the other stars, people thus attached significance to them.

Originally posted by Star428
LOL. I don't have much confidence in what I say? That's horeshit, dude. I guarantee you that I'm more secure in what I believe than you or any atheist in this thread. Do you just come into religious threads I post in for the express purpose of trying to deliberately piss me off? I remember you claiming you're a Christian too. No doubt a Catholic like Emperor dumb dumb. I didn't wanna believe what I heard about Catholics not really being Christians but the more I learn about what they believe and how they openly insult other Christians the more it seems to be true. My belief in God is unshakeable, dude. As is my belief in the 6 days of creation stated in the bible and the fact we all came from Adam and Eve. How dare you for suggesting I don't really believe what I say as if you really know jackshit about me. Perhaps, you're the one who is weak in what you believe.

The only thing I'm unsure of is how old the earth and the universe is. But, I'm certain that human life began around 6000 years ago. I stopped reading your crap after I read your insult of me in the first sentence, Blue. Just a tip, if you're gonna insult me you should save it till near the end of your post otherwise I will stop reading as soon as I see you insulted me or are leading up to insulting me. I'm considering ignoring the rest of your replies in this thread after your insult of me.

Originally posted by Star428
The only thing I'm unsure of is how old the earth and the universe is. But, I'm certain that human life began around 6000 years ago.

Once again, Egypt is older than that.

Sorry, Q but whatever you're saying I'm not interested in it either. Someone who repeatedly insults my religion by claiming Islam has same God as Christianity is not worth my time, either. Conversing with an offensive person like that will only put me in a bad mood and increase the chance I will get banned.

Originally posted by Star428
Someone who repeatedly insults my religion by claiming Islam has same God as Christianity

That's not an insult, that's a fact for the most part. If you find that insulting or outrageous, then that just means you don't understand Islamic belief. Muslims do worship the Judeo-Christian God as he was portrayed in chapters of the Bible. That is true regardless of their differing beliefs regarding him and his teachings.

What's primarily different about their religion in regards to "God" himself is that they don't consider Jesus to legitimately be God or God's son.

EDIT: Also, if you're unwilling to discuss with the opposing end of the argument, why are you continuing to post in this thread? Debate is frankly inherent in the topic, and it's not like there's anything else going on. It seems to me right now that you're only here to deliberately flame opposition at this point tbh.

Originally posted by Q99

I think you're running into 'no-one wants to watch a long video just for an internet debate,'
(Or in my case, 'can't watch,' it doesn't even load for me) especially with no sum-up of what's inside and on a site with ads about giant human skeletons being found and aliens sending messages to our DNA. T-I complains about having to read more than three paragraphs in a post, and a long video takes a heck of a lot longer than reading any post.

It's more efficient if you make your own point, possibly based on what you learn in the video, and leave the link for those who want followup but don't just leave people with a cold link and tell them to do all the work.

Q, I thank you for taking the time to respond.

You highlight several problems and/or points worth examining and expanding on.

1. It's a mistake to think of this in debate terms. The reality of most debates is that people only think of winning and losing. Not much learning goes on if that stays the mindset. Frustrating, too, for what I linked to was a very well made and enjoyable documentary.

2. I have no means of responding to "can't load". Too many possible technical problems to guess at. SUPER annoying this last; this documentary was featured in its entirety on YouTube not very long ago and was only relatively recently made unavailable.

3. The "too long" argument is additionally provoking, though I don't think you mean it to be, because many of the proponents of atheist arguments on this forum, link to BOOKS on the subject. You're talking about a summary video being long when I've encountered "read these 500+ pages of text" as the response to me. Galling to say the least.

Any response that says "reading 3 paragraphs of reasonable length is too much", however, is completely invalid. You're not serious about understanding the other person if that's your complaint.

4. What is "efficient" is not always effective. In fact, I'm of the mind that only what is already 90% accepted and/or already known benefits from what passes for conventional summary on this forum. What is new or unconventional is more or less ignored. I need a way of slowing people down long enough for them to actually think about what is being said.

Originally posted by Q99

Lesse, going back to the one line of what's inside it you actually made:

"He poses one of the most nagging questions I've seen: How did planets exert SO very much influence over people in the past in the eras BEFORE telescopes and magnifying lenses made them easily visible?"

In general? They didn't... though I will note, we totally knew about Venus and Mars and Jupiter and Saturn before telescopes. A lot of the planets are quite visible to the naked eye, just what they were was an unknown. Even Uranus is occasionally visible, though the ancients didn't notice it much despite that (says a lot that the barely-visible and not-so-visible [Neptune] yet clearly huge and significant objects in the solar system were only discovered with telescopes. One Greek astronomer is noted to have written down an observation that seems to corrospond to Uranus, but he thought nothing of it).

Venus is literally the brightest non-moon-or-sun in the Sky. Mars, Saturn, and Jupiter are near the top of the charts too. Top 5.

They were generally thought to be wandering stars or something, and as some of the brightest objects in the sky and following very different rules than the other stars, people thus attached significance to them.

I understand your point of view. I heavily disagree, though.

Are you at least able to play YouTube clips that are 5 - 7 minutes long?

If you are please click and watch the following. Note that you will need roughly one minute of fortitude to get past the title and opening sequence but that immediately afterward this should start making a surprising amount of sense:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3ibU_SLHCvw

Do I really need to come in this thread and settle nonsense? Stop the trolling and bashing, everybody.

May Allah have mercy on your souls!

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Star actually doesn't seem to have all that much confidence in what he says. Or much staying power, for that matter. To be fair, however, trusting his listed birthdate to be accurate, Star has had a lot of time to have had faith shaken. And a lot of time to build a nearly soul-crushing store of sadness, bitterness, and anger. But Life in these United States causes that. And it's fairly natural for people to lash out at others as a result. Even if they proclaim Christian membership, which proscribes such behavior.

I'm glad that, after an initial lash out, Star DOES seem willing to re-examine and re-evaluate some of his positions. He used to laugh at me for my views on Catholicism, for instance. He doesn't do that now. I think it would be hard for anyone who gives that organization serious examination to do so, truthfully.
When even Christopher Hitchens is willing to admit the Catholic Church and/or many of its celebrated figures behave in a very UN-Christian manner, it warrants examination.

I'm sorry, but in this very thread he is said intelligent design is 100% a thing.

Also how is believing in intelligent design not a sin? Think about it: all that theory says is *something* created everything. But God tells us we can't believe in anyone but him. He doesn't say "believe in me or at the very least believe in something".

Originally posted by Star428
I'm certain that human life began around 6000 years ago.

The oldest anatomically modern human is nearly 200,000 years old.

Dinosaurs went extinct millions and millions of years ago. Do you think we just coexisted with them or something?

The Flintstones is fiction.

See and being certain life began around 6,000 years ago sure sounds like confidence to me.

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm sorry, but in this very thread he is said intelligent design is 100% a thing.

😕

Why are you pretending now as if you believed Star?

You just wrote the following on the previous page:

Originally posted by Surtur
Believe it or not most Christians actually don't subscribe to the whole "evolution is a fairy tale" line of thought. They also don't try to pull a fast one on people by going on about intelligent design, especially when these people *flat out* do not actually believe in intelligent design and have stated this.

Quite literally Star does not believe in intelligent design, despite his little spiel about how it's totally fact. He believes in God, the biblical God, as he has said numerous times.

Surtur, why not respond to my 2nd link, the revised summary clip I gave Q?
It only takes a few moments of viewing time, and it's presented by a man who is, to the best of my knowledge, an atheist. It should prove you a far more interesting intellectual challenge than the pointless cursefest with Star you seem to be trying to create.

Originally posted by Surtur
Also how is believing in intelligent design not a sin? Think about it: all that theory says is *something* created everything. But God tells us we can't believe in anyone but him. He doesn't say "believe in me or at the very least believe in something".

I don't understand your point. He believes God is the intelligent designer, right? 😬

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm sorry, but in this very thread he is said intelligent design is 100% a thing.

Originally posted by Trocity
Dinosaurs went extinct millions and millions of years ago.