Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
I am not a parent but I understood what the scene meant
Understanding is different to it hitting you emotionally.
Because without the emotion, logically it seemed like a meaningless death to me personally. Ren was too far gone, so there's no way Han was bringing him home on his own.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
So we're playing semantics? If he was going to die anyway then his sacrifice was not pointless like you said earlier. I dare say it is one of the most pivotal moments of the Star Wars franchise.
Its pointless because it doesn't accomplish anything. He didn't sacrifice anything, he gave up what was going to be taken anyway. I don't understand your thinking here. Why would him dying anyway give his "sacrifice" meaning, instead of completely negate any?
Originally posted by AuraAngel
It's hard to get invested in a father son relationship when the son cares more about some old dude than his father and the father has spent who knows how long not dealing with his son being Hitler 2.0.
It's hard to get invested in a father son relationship when the father cares more about some fugly guy in a cloak than his son and they've only ever met twice and tried to kill each other both times. Gosh.
Originally posted by Darth ThorWe don't need to see father and son moments to take. People already loved Han Solo so I'm sure this mattered to them. I personally enjoyed it. He was weak.
Well I guess from a Parent's point of view that would be a more emotional scene. Just don't think it worked enough for the rest of us because we as an audience never saw the relationship they had.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Its pointless because it doesn't accomplish anything. He didn't sacrifice anything, he gave up what was going to be taken anyway. I don't understand your thinking here. Why would him dying anyway give his "sacrifice" meaning, instead of completely negate any?It's hard to get invested in a father son relationship when the father cares more about some fugly guy in a cloak than his son and they've only ever met twice and tried to kill each other both times. Gosh.
Him dying allowed him to be an omnipresent guide to Luke for the rest of the series, allowing him to council Luke in times where it would otherwise be impossible, like the Death Star run. It was also proof that the Force is a power that transcends death itself and is the real proof that the Death Star is ultimately insignificant next to it. Lastly it was the ultimate statement about the light side of the Force. Sure Vader and the Emperor are better at killing people with the choking and the lightning but the Force is more than that. It allows those truly at peace with themselves and a desire to good a chance to continue helping the next generation accomplish things the previous could not.
It's cute that you're comparing the two. Both Vader and Luke thought the other were dead whereas Han has known for years what his son has been doing and did nothing to stop/help him(that we see on film). When Luke finds out Vader is his dad(after the Yoda scene) he immediately tries to do all he can to save his father. On the flipside, Vader didn't wanna kill his kid either. He would rather betray the Emperor(in ESB at least) than kill his own son. Both characters show more love and affection for each other, even when on opposite sides, than Han and Ben because Han kept dodging his responsibilities and Ben is just irredeemably evil.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Kenobi even states his death would make him more powerful so it did indeed serve a purpose.
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You can't win, Darth. If you strike me down... I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
As for the Han scene... I really didn't feel it. A big disappointment. And it certainly didn't help that KMCers talked about Han dying months and months before the movie release...
For those who brag about ANH's originality.
It also makes sense that Lawrence Kasdan dropped a reference to Akira Kurosawa. George Lucas borrowed heavily from his 1958 film The Hidden Fortress in creating Star Wars, both aesthetically and from a plot standpoint, and the filmmaker has always loomed large over the saga.
Take that, haters.
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Han-Solo-Star-Wars-Movie-Take-Place-104337.html
Honestly, the scene where Han dies was just completely OOC for him. I know that he became soft during Return of the Jedi, but I could never imagine him getting that close to somebody who is obviously evil, even if he his son. Couldn't they have had Han fake out Kylo and then try to shoot him, only for Kylo to block the blaster bolt and reflect it back on dear old dad?
Originally posted by quanchi112
For those who brag about ANH's originality.It also makes sense that Lawrence Kasdan dropped a reference to Akira Kurosawa. George Lucas borrowed heavily from his 1958 film The Hidden Fortress in creating Star Wars, both aesthetically and from a plot standpoint, and the filmmaker has always loomed large over the saga.
Take that, haters.
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Han-Solo-Star-Wars-Movie-Take-Place-104337.html
Oh yeah, ANH is almost a direct copy from Hidden Fortress. Really weird to watch that movie, if you ever do. (But most of you probably won't because it's a) in black and white and b) entirely in Japanese) .
It starts exactly the way ANH starts, except the two lowly farmer are replaced but two lowly workers from the SW galaxy: 3PO and R2. Lucas took a lot from that movie, but gave it a different twist. IMHO exactly what JJ did with TFA.
Originally posted by Astner..No one will ever think its th worst Star Wars movie.
Even the fanboys admit that The Force Awakens is a rip-off of A New Hope.It's decent by itself, but when watched with the rest of the saga in context it's the worst of all Star Wars movies because it's a retelling of another movie the series.
It's a MILLION times better then the sequels.
Being original doesn't make them better.
Originally posted by JmanghanBeing original doesn't make them better.
But being Unoriginal stopped TFA from being something special Imo. With the level of acting, directing, and great dialogue they had, it's a shame they didn't have faith in using their own Original plot and ideas for the film.
Also being full of Imagination was always a Unique aspect for Star Wars. Well used to be anyway.
Originally posted by queeqI just wanted to put it up because I tire of people screaming about originality when ANH isn't very original. To me something works or it doesn't I don't get all excited for originality.
Oh yeah, ANH is almost a direct copy from Hidden Fortress. Really weird to watch that movie, if you ever do. (But most of you probably won't because it's a) in black and white and b) entirely in Japanese) .It starts exactly the way ANH starts, except the two lowly farmer are replaced but two lowly workers from the SW galaxy: 3PO and R2. Lucas took a lot from that movie, but gave it a different twist. IMHO exactly what JJ did with TFA.
I'm glad you acknowledged JJ also did the same thing with TFA further destroying their selective reasoning.
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