Yoda vs Palpatine (TO THE DEATH!)

Originally posted by quanchi112
That entire rant is based on his interpretation of the fight. You stole his argument and tried passing it off your own, lol.

In the film Windu clearly deflects the fl right back into face. Most of his points were off but then again I have already thoroughly smashed these points already.

I actually showed you the time stamp to show you the quote that shows its impass, they were even. Not taking anything else but the quote that realisticly is in the novel and out there so explain how I'm stealing.

Explain how that has anything to do with what I said. I'll tell you nothing cause I said nothing about the lighting, this was all about his saber skills.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I certainly never agreed with that at all. I never said he wouldn't have the vaapad boost from Sids. He would get that each and every time. The only thing I said he might not get.. is his extra motivation realizing the fate of the galaxy was at stake. He might even have that, considering it was Sidious (a sith lord and his archenemy). However, it could be that Mace realized how Dire things were.. a sith lord was actually in control of the senate. Such an exact situation might not happen again, but he would also get a boost from Sids dark side powers. Always.

You misunderstood. He would get the boost just not to the same level. That's what I meant not that he wouldn't get a boost just not that boost speciffacly.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I actually showed you the time stamp to show you the quote that shows its impass, they were even. Not taking anything else but the quote that realisticly is in the novel and out there so explain how I'm stealing.

Explain how that has anything to do with what I said. I'll tell you nothing cause I said nothing about the lighting, this was all about his saber skills.

The same argument you've been pedaling for months is from this guy.

Yeah, in the fight Windu disarms him. Period. 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
The same argument you've been pedaling for months is from this guy.

Yeah, in the fight Windu disarms him. Period. 😂

Stay on track here. I'm asking you to tell me how I'm stealing when all I pulled was a quote that is very public since its in a novelization. I didn't say this whole video proves I'm right, I didn't do that I gave you a specific time frame where it showed a public quote. So tell me now how I stole his video or you concede.

With saber skills? Do show me how. What I saw was he kicked him with his foot. The movie shows a kick not any sign of technical mastery, just better use of the environment which is smart, but isn't a replacement for technical sophistication.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Stay on track here. I'm asking you to tell me how I'm stealing when all I pulled was a quote that is very public since its in a novelization. I didn't say this whole video proves I'm right, I didn't do that I gave you a specific time frame where it showed a public quote. So tell me now how I stole his video or you concede.

With saber skills? Do show me how. What I saw was he kicked him with his foot. The movie shows a kick not any sign of technical mastery, just better use of the environment which is smart, but isn't a replacement for technical sophistication.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Windu disarmed him. He kicked at the proper moment to disarm him. Sidious never disarmed Windu. Facts are facts, argument plagiarizer.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Is there actually any proof of that?

"Mace Windu's fighting abilities are second only to Yoda," Gillard smirked

We also have this and Sidious is about equal to Yoda so yea I would say there's some defintle proof.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So in other words you agree I'm right that they were equals since you can't refute what I said and thus goodbye.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That is how Yoda deflected Dooku's Lightning but he wasn't able to do that to Palpatine's.

Based on what, Quanchi? Did we ever see Yoda trying to block Sidious lightning over such a distance? No. So please stop speculating and stick with the facts. Thank you.

Do you feel you can dismiss Palpatine and substitute Dooku in ? Are they the same power level ?

Red herring. You speculated that some residual arcs from deflected lightning would hit Yoda. None of that ever happens. Evidence either shows no residual arcs at all, or them being deflected away with the rest of the lightning.

He snarls and hisses. We see him do so against Windu as well. That didn't have anything to do with the moment he was disarmed by Windu so once again you're reaching. The fact remains we don't know the context, imagination station.

Yes. And he lost against Windu as well. 🙄

Sidious used the attack twice. Once it ko'd him, the second time it disarmed him while Yoda ended up careening off the pod. That's two for two, sport. The force push didn't ko him either.

The first time he used it against an unprepared Yoda, the second time he used it against Yoda who was just jumping up to his position (which would also be a surprise move). Both instances that are non-applicable to a "proper fight" between the two individuals in question. There won't be surprise attacks or attacks from positions of superiority. What happens when they two are standing on equal ground and Sidious attempts to hit him with force lightning was seen in RotS.

And, yes. The Force push didn't k.o. Sidious. It just put him in a position in which he would have been helpless from any further attack by Yoda (e.g. lightsaber to the face).

That was Dooku whose force lightning is weaker than Palpatine's. We see Yoda can't casually deflect his lightning and the residual blast impacted those within close proximity. That would be Yoda.

That's your speculation, Quanchi, as we've never seen it happening. And as you explicitly excluded any form of speculation, you can just go away and troll elsewere, since without speculation, you can say nothing about a fight between Yoda and Sidious under circumstances that didn't happen. Bye.

Emphasis: Palpatine my dim witted friend.

Still doesn't make sense, Clownchi. 🙁

Originally posted by Nai
Based on what, Quanchi? Did we ever see Yoda trying to block Sidious lightning over such a distance? No. So please stop speculating and stick with the facts. Thank you.

Red herring. You speculated that some residual arcs from deflected lightning would hit Yoda. None of that ever happens. Evidence either shows no residual arcs at all, or them being deflected away with the rest of the lightning.

Yes. And he lost against Windu as well. 🙄

The first time he used it against an unprepared Yoda, the second time he used it against Yoda who was just jumping up to his position (which would also be a surprise move). Both instances that are non-applicable to a "proper fight" between the two individuals in question. There won't be surprise attacks or attacks from positions of superiority. What happens when they two are standing on equal ground and Sidious attempts to hit him with force lightning was seen in RotS.

And, yes. The Force push didn't k.o. Sidious. It just put him in a position in which he would have been helpless from any further attack by Yoda (e.g. lightsaber to the face).

That's your speculation, Quanchi, as we've never seen it happening. And as you explicitly excluded any form of speculation, you can just go away and troll elsewere, since without speculation, you can say nothing about a fight between Yoda and Sidious under circumstances that didn't happen. Bye.

Still doesn't make sense, Clownchi. 🙁

I never said that you clown. I did say that even if he does manage to block it the residual blast from the force of it knocks him backward just like it did in the film. If Palpatine is further away that doesn't hit him since he's out of its range.

Windu lost due to Anakin interfering. Context, dummy. Quit ignoring it.

He actually slowly raised his hands and made his intentions known you dimwit. A two scones timed attack and despite Yoda's force power and precognition the dummy couldn't react in time. The force as you say. 😂

In combat people rarely say are you ready lets begin but in this rare instance Palpatine actually wants him and raises his hand and fires. It took him two seconds to do so. Pitiful. He was ko'd on equal ground.

Yoda was too far away to lightsaber him to the face you fanboy. Your wild imagination has taken over. Screw distance, screw abilities, Yoda kills him because in my head he can do so. --Nai

Yoda fails to send it away and the residual blast hits anyone within close proximity.

Emphasis😛alpatine my dim witted friend.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We know this based on implied fact that Sidious is far greater in force powers than Dooku. Me also see Kenobi casually block his fl with his saber. Did Yoda ? 😂

"Implied facts." 😂
Based on "implied facts", Yoda is a better force user and duellist than Windu. Either you go by "seen on screen only" or you don't. In the first case, you have no point, because we see what happens. In the second case you have no point, because Yoda is better than Windu in every aspect. Thanks for playing.

I never said that you clown. I did say that even if he does manage to block it the residual blast from the force of it knocks him backward just like it did in the film. If Palpatine is further away that doesn't hit him since he's out of its range.

If they are further away from each other, the "residual blast" that would occur in the middle between them would hid neither of them. That stuff doesn't magically occur in front of Yoda's hands but in the middle of the two opponents, which would be as far away from Yoda as it is from Sidious.

Windu lost due to Anakin interfering. Context, dummy. Quit ignoring it.

Did you even read what I posted? I said that, Palpatine lost against Windu, since you mentioned that he makes the same sounds against Windu that he makes against Yoda. Got that?

He actually slowly raised his hands and made his intentions known you dimwit. A two scones timed attack and despite Yoda's force power and precognition the dummy couldn't react in time. The force as you say. 😂

Oh really? Did he say that he will just use Force lightning against Yoda now? Must have missed that part of the scene. And you mean like Yoda raised his hands and made his intentions clear before Force pushing Sidious, which, somehow counts as "surprise attack against an unprepared target" in your interpretation of the fight.

In combat people rarely say are you ready lets begin but in this rare instance Palpatine actually wants him and raises his hand and fires. It took him two seconds to do so. Pitiful. He was ko'd on equal ground.

See above. In combat people rarely walk into a situation like that without expeting to be attack and meeting the requirements to defend themselves (force defense, lightsaber out). Yoda does in the movie. Yoda won't do in a "proper fight" against Sidious.

Yoda was too far away to lightsaber him to the face you fanboy. Your wild imagination has taken over. Screw distance, screw abilities, Yoda kills him because in my head he can do so. --Nai

Once more I'm back at the question if you did ever watch one of the Star Wars films, Quanchimon.

YouTube video

0:06 - 0:08: Yoda throws his lightsaber into the chest of a Clone.

You were saying? 🙂

Yoda fails to send it away and the residual blast hits anyone within close proximity.

Which would either be none of them or both of them.

Emphasis😛alpatine my dim witted friend.

🙄

Originally posted by Nai
"Implied facts." 😂
Based on "implied facts", Yoda is a better force user and duellist than Windu. Either you go by "seen on screen only" or you don't. In the first case, you have no point, because we see what happens. In the second case you have no point, because Yoda is better than Windu in every aspect. Thanks for playing.

If they are further away from each other, the "residual blast" that would occur in the middle between them would hid neither of them. That stuff doesn't magically occur in front of Yoda's hands but in the middle of the two opponents, which would be as far away from Yoda as it is from Sidious.

Did you even read what I posted? I said that, Palpatine lost against Windu, since you mentioned that he makes the same sounds against Windu that he makes against Yoda. Got that?

Oh really? Did he say that he will just use Force lightning against Yoda now? Must have missed that part of the scene. And you mean like Yoda raised his hands and made his intentions clear before Force pushing Sidious, which, somehow counts as "surprise attack against an unprepared target" in your interpretation of the fight.

See above. In combat people rarely walk into a situation like that without expeting to be attack and meeting the requirements to defend themselves (force defense, lightsaber out). Yoda does in the movie. Yoda won't do in a "proper fight" against Sidious.

Once more I'm back at the question if you did ever watch one of the Star Wars films, Quanchimon.

YouTube video

0:06 - 0:08: Yoda throws his lightsaber into the chest of a Clone.

You were saying? 🙂

Which would either be none of them or both of them.

🙄

Windu beat Palpatine Yoda didn't, my teenage friend.

It doesn't occur in the middle it occurs closer to the point of Yoda resisting the power and sending what he can back at Palpatine. If he control it and send it a greater distance away he'd have just sent the bulk of it at Sidious and further away from himself. He did the best he could.

So you agree the sounds don't have any relevance as he loses in one fight and wins in another. At no point does he lose at the point of hissing or snarling. Make some damn sense don't just throw baseless claims around like a child.

He says you will experience the power of the dark side. Yoda has experience against fl. I guess he has to announce his attacks before he does so. What the hell is wrong with you ? So if I'm about to punch someone I have to announce which body part I'm going to strike and what hand I'm going to throw ? 😂

The force push wasn't a surprise attack it's just Palpatine was busy being overconfident like an idiot. That's why he struck him because he was sitting around laughing like a moron. definitely fair play but more so due to Palpatine's arrogance more than anything else.

Yoda came to kill him and we see his hands can defend himself against force lightning. He failed to defend himself. You can clearly see he tries but fails.

So now that's comparable to the dark lord of the Sith ? Throwing his saber clearly takes time and he didn't even have it out at that point you context ignorer. Watch the damn scene you damn ignoramus.

Wow Quanchi's gone to new levels of embarrassing himself this time. His attempts at trying to sound as smart as Nai are particularly funny:

Emphasis: Palpatine

Emphasis: Windu

Emphasis: Not Yoda

Emphasis: My Trolling

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Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
"Mace Windu's fighting abilities are second only to Yoda," Gillard smirked

We also have this and Sidious is about equal to Yoda so yea I would say there's some defintle proof.

Or maybe Yoda's just better than both of them (in Sabers).

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Or maybe Yoda's just better than both of them (in Sabers).

Possible, but Sidious isn't far off from Yoda so I would take this as official as official proof that Windu is below Yoda and extension Sidious.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Possible, but Sidious isn't far off from Yoda so I would take this as official as official proof that Windu is below Yoda and extension Sidious.

Yoda seemed to be overpowering Sidious in lightsaber combat multiple times. I actually think the Emperor realized this and tried to disarm Yoda of his lightsaber as quickly as possible.

I'm not saying they are league's apart but I do think an argument could be made that the gap was noticeable.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Possible, but Sidious isn't far off from Yoda so I would take this as official as official proof that Windu is below Yoda and extension Sidious.

^ Not necessarily, Yoda may just be a little above both of them in Sabers. Remember Yoda is pretty old and likely way past his prime.

Yoda and Sidious are clearly solidly above Windu in Force Powers however, but it might be a lot closer between the 3 of them in Sabers. And clash of styles (as KT always points out) may give Windu the edge over Sidious in that aspect of combat.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Wow Quanchi's gone to new levels of embarrassing himself this time. His attempts at trying to sound as smart as Nai are particularly funny:

Emphasis: Palpatine

Emphasis: Windu

Emphasis: Not Yoda

Emphasis: My Trolling

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Ps. You backed down from my Trek vs Wars battlezone. You've been begging for another battlezone challenge and I give you one and you just back down like I knew you would.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
First of all stop Ok. You and I have been through this time again. My position has not changed. Never once have I tried to take Vaapad away from Mace. It is his style of combat a style he made. I know that, there is no need for you to be like a parrot and repeat yourself. However even you with your thick skull can't put aside that it however did have a dramatic affect on his combat performance that you yourself IIRC agreed mace would never see again even if he fought Sidious again I mean legit. Don't pull that of course he wouldn't because he's dead crap.

Moronivich, it's YOU who keeps peddling the same nonsense about Windu and Vaapad. If you stop posting idiocy, then I'll no need to state facts to counter said idiocy. Don't blame me for having to correct you.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Moronivich, it's YOU who keeps peddling the same nonsense about Windu and Vaapad. If you stop posting idiocy, then I'll no need to state facts to counter said idiocy. Don't blame me for having to correct you.

You think yourself so superior when you are in fact inferior. Anyone with even a quarter of a brain knows that Vaapad boosted Windu to unknown level. I have said time and time again this is his combat form and may use whenever but never again will it boost him to that point ever again. That's the point you imbecile. You don't know what facts are. You know nothing. If you actually read the novel you would understand. So don't blame me for your stupidity, your ignorance and your just plain UHHHH. YOU KNOW Vaapad played an important role so stop acting like it didn't.