Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Not necessarily, Yoda may just be a little above both of them in Sabers. Remember Yoda is pretty old and likely way past his prime.Yoda and Sidious are clearly solidly above Windu in Force Powers however, but it might be a lot closer between the 3 of them in Sabers. And clash of styles (as KT always points out) may give Windu the edge over Sidious in that aspect of combat.
In a clash of styles maybe, however Vaapad only gave Windu the ability to be a perfect equal to Sidious in that one INSATNCE. Based on the factors that made up that fight I have no doubt that if the battle occurred under whatever one would consider normal circumstances, he would never be on that level. However I do agree Yoda is above Windu and has a slight edge over Sidious with Sabers but I think the gap between Yoda and Sidious is smaller than the one between Sidious and Mace.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Moronivich, it's YOU who keeps peddling the same nonsense about Windu and Vaapad. If you stop posting idiocy, then I'll no need to state facts to counter said idiocy. Don't blame me for having to correct you.
Sense you think your so clever when you aren't these questions.
1. Have I ever said Mace couldn't use Vaapad? Have I ever neglected that or said it was worthless or anything like, if so when?
2. How was Mace able to deflect the lightning back at Sidious?
3. Did Vaapad or did it not play a critical role in this battle?
You answer three wrong it will give me a look at how extremely stupid you are.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
You think yourself so superior when you are in fact inferior. Anyone with even a quarter of a brain knows that Vaapad boosted Windu to unknown level. I have said time and time again this is his combat form and may use whenever but never again will it boost him to that point ever again. That's the point you imbecile. You don't know what facts are. You know nothing. If you actually read the novel you would understand. So don't blame me for your stupidity, your ignorance and your just plain UHHHH. YOU KNOW Vaapad played an important role so stop acting like it didn't.
Idiocy 101. You've point blank called Vaapad an amp for Mace. I can find 10 quotes of you calling it that. I've had to come in and correct you, and then you'll go, yeah yeah yeah it's his combat form and not an amp. Then 2 weeks later, you'll call it an amp again, and I'll correct you again. Moronivich.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Idiocy 101. You've point blank called Vaapad an amp for Mace. I can find 10 quotes of you calling it that. I've had to come in and correct you, and then you'll go, yeah yeah yeah it's his combat form and not an amp. Then 2 weeks later, you'll call it an amp again, and I'll correct you again. Moronivich.
So your going to get mad just because I use the wrong word? Wow seems something just like Quan would do. Ok to,Soth you hurt nerves boost since it's not an external factor, so actually only thing you can actually correct me on is choice words not my logic or anything. So answer the question that I posted since we've gotten over the boost vs amp thing.
Also that didn't defy anything I asked. Just because I said amp doesn't mean I think he can't use it cause I've said he would have it every time. So stay on the topic, quit being such an idiot and a little b**** and answer the question like a man.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
In a clash of styles maybe, however Vaapad only gave Windu the ability to be a perfect equal to Sidious in that one INSATNCE. Based on the factors that made up that fight I have no doubt that if the battle occurred under whatever one would consider normal circumstances, he would never be on that level.
A lot of speculation though in saying he could only match Sidious in that 1 Instance don't you think?
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
However I do agree Yoda is above Windu and has a slight edge over Sidious with Sabers but I think the gap between Yoda and Sidious is smaller than the one between Sidious and Mace.
Perhaps there is a bigger gap between Yoda and Mace than between Yoda and Sidious. But that doesn't necessarily put Sidious above Mace, because of Clash of Styles.
Also regarding Vapaad, I'd just like to point out that the words "Boost" or "Amp" are never once mentioned in the ROTS novel. What's mentioned is something akin to deflecting Sidious's power back against him. But to be fair, many martial arts use an opponent's own strength against them.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
A lot of speculation though in saying he could only match Sidious in that 1 Instance don't you think?Perhaps there is a bigger gap between Yoda and Mace than between Yoda and Sidious. But that doesn't necessarily put Sidious above Mace, because of Clash of Styles.
Also regarding Vapaad, I'd just like to point out that the words "Boost" or "Amp" are never once mentioned in the ROTS novel. What's mentioned is something akin to deflecting Sidious's power back against him. But to be fair, many martial arts use an opponent's own strength against them.
Well it depends on how you see the factors that made up the fight. Would you say his internal anger would be the same every single time. Psychologically it would not fade away but wouldn't be as potent if he were alive and got another chance from a psychological stand point I would think. So with that his internal anger wouldn't be as high, and so vaapad wouldn't work to that potential as it did in that fight. This is all however my opinion.
I personally don't see how. We agree and there's canon evidence that Yoda is above Windu and now maybe Sidious. The gap between Sidious and Yoda is marginal at best. It's not a casts distance really. Same is with mace in some aspects. The distance is greater but not like miles. Mace is indeed able to go up against yoda or sidious and hold his own for a time but win not so much at least under circumstances in which windus emotions were more in check but that would never happen against Sidious with windu.
I believe a superconducting loop that draws on Sidious rage and either elevates his own speed and power since he was able to be the perfect equal to Sidious or he was able to like you said use Sidious power against him and that's what allowed him to do so. However I lean more to it elevating him since he was able to be he exact even and windu is thought of as the equal to dooku. We see dooku was dominated by Yoda who is greater than or equal to Sidious and since windu was able to get to that level I would say he needed to be elevated to it so that's why I say boosted since amp is external and vaapad is something Mace could use at any time so it would be a boost realistically.