The most incorruptible..?

Started by FreshestSlice5 pages

Obi-Wan's way of handling emotion is not healthy or right. That was kind of the point to the OT.

Originally posted by Total Warrior
For the jedi I'd say Quinlan Vos. For the sith.... Always Quinlan Vos da Boss

and there goes the last piece of logic left on kmc

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Barring Luke, Yoda and Sidious, I'd say Kenobi and Maul are the perfect Jedi and Sith/Darksiders respectively. Neither one would sway to the other side IMO.
I don't know about Maul, definitely dedicated to an extreme but I always felt his grasp of the dark side was incomplete and he was very much indoctrinated/brainwashed into thinking a certain way from a young age.

Sidious basically gave him a personality, and stamped anything to the contrary, so there is potentially another/buried side to him that could be teased out. Someone like Palpatine or Bane on the other hand who considered and chose the dark side simply doesn't have that weakness.

Kylo Ren.

He killed his own father and passed the test. He succeeded where Vader failed.

^ LMAO @ your Quan imitation.

Nomi Sunrider is definitely near the top. Her husband was murdered right in front of her and she still remained firmly in the light.

For Sith I think it would honestly be Nihilus. Given his relationship with the Dark Side (a slave to the hunger it gives him), redemption should be effectively impossible for him. He has no human connections or feelings that could persuade him toward the Light.

Was waiting for someone to mention him. 👆

Re: The most incorruptible..?

Coming at this from a movie perspective.

Originally posted by Galan007
Barring Yoda(the obvious choice), who is the most incorruptible Jedi in the mythos? Which Jedi would simply never allow themselves to be influenced/tainted by any aspect of the dark side? Basically, who is the most good?

Mace Windu.

Originally posted by Galan007
Same coin, which Sith has the greatest dark sided resolve? Which Sith would never allow themselves to be swayed/conflicted/redeemed by the light? Basically, who is the most evil?

Darth Maul. The other Sith Lords could probably be swayed if there was something they could gain for it. Darth Maul seemed to have almost a religious reverence for the dark side.

Originally posted by NemeBro
For Sith I think it would honestly be Nihilus. Given his relationship with the Dark Side (a slave to the hunger it gives him), redemption should be effectively impossible for him. He has no human connections or feelings that could persuade him toward the Light.

Nihilius wasn't a regular Force user though, he was a Force wound. He didn't use the dark side the way regular Sith Lords do.

Anakin Solo for Jedi.

Originally posted by Astner
Nihilius wasn't a regular Force user though, he was a Force wound.
Nihilus was still a dark side user/Sith Lord, though(which is what my OP asks.) Him being described as a wound in the force or whathaveyou isn't much different than Dooku describing Palpatine as "a black hole of the force", imo.

It's a lot different.

Honestly, agreed somewhat. Considering that outside of Nathema actual voids in the force aren't a thing, Nihilus and Meetra's status as "wounds" is probably a lot less complicated than KOTOR II seems to make it out to be. As is the case with most of the things that came out of KOTOR II. 😕

That being said, despite the fact that he's more of a mindless monster than a conscious evildoer, I agree that Nihilus is arguably the least capable of returning to the light side of the Force. And I like your description of Maul's relationship with the Dark Side, tbh Beni.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
It's a lot different.
No, it's not.

That is what Dooku(who was massively force-empowered at the time) literally saw/sensed from Palpatine, "with exhilarating precision."

Yes, it is. Dooku was being metaphorical when describing Sidious as a black hole, his intentions being to capture the extent of his darkness.

When Nihilus is described as a wound, it is a literal reference to his nature as a dead spot in the Force, where the Living Force does not exist.

Sidious doesn't possess any of Nihilus' unique characteristics to suggest they are even remotely similar.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
And I like your description of Maul's relationship with the Dark Side, tbh Beni.
Thanks. 🙂

I'm honestly wondering if this is something that might be explored in future content, with Maul masterless, motherless and purposeless.

Originally posted by Galan007
No, it's not.

That is what Dooku(who was massively force-empowered at the time) literally saw/sensed from Palpatine, "with exhilarating precision."

Are you not familiar with the concept of hyperbole?

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Are you not familiar with the concept of hyperbole?
👆

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yes, it is. Dooku was being metaphorical when describing Sidious as a black hole, his intentions being to capture the extent of his darkness.

When Nihilus is described as a wound, it is a literal reference to his nature as a dead spot in the Force, where the Living Force does not exist.


And when Palpatine was described to us through the eyes of Dooku, "with exhilarating precision" mind you, it was also a literal reference to his nature as a black hole of the force.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Sidious doesn't possess any of Nihilus' unique characteristics to suggest they are even remotely similar.
I never suggested that Palpatine and Nihilus were similar characters. At all.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Are you not familiar with the concept of hyperbole?
Yes. And describing a character's position in the force "with exhilarating precision" =/= simple hyperbole, imo. That is literally(not figuratively) how Dooku perceived Palpatine. 🙂

Lulz. Just let it go.

Lulz. Just explaining why it's simply not as cut-and-dry as some like to think.