Originally posted by Syndicate
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Originally posted by SyndicateIf Ahsoka hasn't improved drastically she would not be able to challenge Darth Vader. His lightsaber abilities and Force powers are so far above TCW Ahsoka's that Rebels Ahsoka must have improved a large degree to lessen the gap so she could challenge him. We don't know how much specifically she increased, granted, but the fact of the matter is is that she already has a lot of experience fighting skilled opponents, so drawing from that pool of experience and knowledge would undoubtebly help her develop her skillset and hone her abilities. And she definitely would have sought to improve her skills throughout the years.
Maybe, maybe not. We don't know how muchAsshokaAhsoka improved between TCW and Rebels especially with Imperials on the watch for anybody sporting a lightsaber.
Originally posted by |King Joker|If Ahsoka hasn't improved drastically she would not be able to challenge Darth Vader. His lightsaber abilities and Force powers are so far above TCW Ahsoka's that Rebels Ahsoka must have improved a large degree to lessen the gap so she could challenge him. We don't know how much specifically she increased, granted, but the fact of the matter is is that she already has a lot of experience fighting skilled opponents, so drawing from that pool of experience and knowledge would undoubtebly help her develop her skillset and hone her abilities. And she definitely would have sought to improve her skills throughout the years.
Depending on how skilled canon Vader is.
Vader doesn't even bother to try and directly tk Ahsoka.
Vos, who Dooku(someone with inferior force feats to Vader) has ragdolled was able to ragdoll Ventress.
Even if you're willing to ignore canon and authoirty to try and assert Ahsoka's a sh!t tier duelist, there's nothing stopping Ahsoka from dismissing Ventress with the force.
Originally posted by thesithmasterAlso, Sidious didn't bother to TK Saesee Tiin. Does that mean he couldn't TK Tiin? Not at all. What kind of logic is this?
That doesn't really apply to Vader and Ahsoka who fought for almost two minutes.
Your false equivalencies are amusing though 👆
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Remind me sithmaster, what canonical statement are you referring to. And please remember to give me what the quote says, not what you infer it says
The quote you very well know. I'll explain it so unbiased people can comprehend it. It was the logical choice to pair Maul with Ezra, the weakest of the group. Making the most balanced team. Of course, strongest/weakest and the other two guys are the most balanced teams in any scenario. What are they about to do here? Fight. Fight the Inquisitors. Ezra clearly needs protection from the Inquisitors given SS streamrolled him a few times. Maul is the best to protect Ezra. What is Maul protecting Ezra from? Inquisitors, who are about to FIGHT them. It proves that Maul is a better FIGHTER than Ahsoka. If this was a dancing or swimming contest then it would be useless in trying to put Maul above Ahsoka as a fighter but given it's clearly taking about a fight only context it says Maul is above Ahsoka in all-out fighting skills.
Originally posted by thesithmaster
The quote you very well know. I'll explain it so unbiased people can comprehend it. It was the logical choice to pair Maul with Ezra, the weakest of the group. Making the most balanced team. Of course, strongest/weakest and the other two guys are the most balanced teams in any scenario. What are they about to do here? Fight. Fight the Inquisitors. Ezra clearly needs protection from the Inquisitors given SS streamrolled him a few times. Maul is the best to protect Ezra. What is Maul protecting Ezra from? Inquisitors, who are about to FIGHT them. It proves that Maul is a better FIGHTER than Ahsoka. If this was a dancing or swimming contest then it would be useless in trying to put Maul above Ahsoka as a fighter but given it's clearly taking about a fight only context it says Maul is above Ahsoka in all-out fighting skills.
The quote says that Maul would be the best to protect Ezra yes. Whoever not once are Ahsoka or Maul's combative abilities alluded to. And we have alternative explanations that work just as well which perfectly reconcile with their fight on Malachor that had Ahsoka send Maul flaling backwards and then drive him back.
Even if we generously assume the reason you've given for Maul being the best fit to protect Ezra is correct, it doesn't tell us anything about how Maul and Ahsoka would compare on even ground. (And you yourself have conceded that Malchor was a nexus).
Thankfully we have an authoritative explanation to clear up the matter for us that isn't contradicted by your interpretation of the quote which is specifically referring to Malachor:
"We used to have this problem in Clone Wars when we would try to put Yoda in a story and it would be like, “Yeah, if Yoda’s there, this isn’t really a problem is it?” That’s because Yoda’s going to go in there and kick everyone’s butt. We all felt that Ahsoka, the only person that could really match her in this time period, blow for blow, would be Vader or the Emperor."
Side note: I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you've progressed beyond trying to attack the strawman of "the quote is saying Ahsoka=Sidious".
This off course is backed up by Ahsoka sending Maul flailing backwards and driving him back during their fight on Malachor, an implied nexus.
Regardless, none of this is relevant to Ventress, who has nothing that ties her to any version of Maul.
^ The quote is contradicted by Actual on screen showings. Maul did match Ashoka blow for blow. And he was on Malachor throughout S2, so saying that happened on Malachor isn't really a valid excuse for Filoni's statement not holding up, given his statement was regarding who could challenge Ashoka during S2.
As for Malachor apparently being a DS nexus, y'all forget there was likely a massive Light Side presence in the Sith Temple as well from all the dead Jedi corpses. In fact Kanan received his massive amp right after putting on the mask of a fallen Temple Guard.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
The quote says that Maul would be the best to protect Ezra yes. Whoever not once are Ahsoka or Maul's combative abilities alluded to. And we have alternative explanations that work just as well which perfectly reconcile with their fight on Malachor that had Ahsoka send Maul flaling backwards and then drive him back.Even if we generously assume the reason you've given for Maul being the best fit to protect Ezra is correct, it doesn't tell us anything about how Maul and Ahsoka would compare on even ground. (And you yourself have conceded that Malchor was a nexus).
Thankfully we have an authoritative explanation to clear up the matter for us that isn't contradicted by your interpretation of the quote which is specifically referring to Malachor:
Side note: I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you've progressed beyond trying to attack the strawman of "the quote is saying Ahsoka=Sidious".
This off course is backed up by Ahsoka sending Maul flailing backwards and driving him back during their fight on Malachor, an implied nexus.
Regardless, none of this is relevant to Ventress, who has nothing that ties her to any version of Maul.
Can you even read? Maul is best suited to protect Ezra in a fight meaning he'll do better in a fight and he's the strongest in a group that includes Tano. If he does better in a fight and is stronger, obviously he is the better fighter.
A two-handed desperate Ahsoka managed to send a casual, one-handed Maul take a few steps backwards in a bladelock. Bladelocks are indicators of... nothing, really. In TCW, Dooku overpowered Anakin in a bladelock but less than a minute prior he got kicked down and nearly choked to death by Skywalker, having to resort to a desperate Force Lightning cheap-shot.
Malachor is a nexus, but Hidalgo hesitated to call it a single game "buff" (amp) and said that the Dark Siders were only "potentially" amped. Meaning that they not being amped is definitely a possibility, as much as them being amped. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say Malachor was somewhat of a Dark Side nexus, but Hidalgo's doubts and "potentially" amped statements make it clear that if Malachor amped Dark Siders at all, it was minimally. They can't be solidly amped by something that only "potentially" amped them and wasn't a buff.
That quote is non-Canon to Rebels as has been explained to you multiple times. Predictably so you keep spamming it because it suits your agenda.
There's context to that quote too. Even if it was Canon, it would not be, in any way, shape or form, an indicator of Tano>Maul. It is talking about how in CW they had this problem where Yoda couldn't participate because he was so good he could kick the asses of anyone in the opposition, from a battle droid to Count Dooku. In Rebels, they're having the same problem with Ahsoka- she can kick the asses of anyone from her opposition, the GALACTIC EMPIRE, bar Vader and Sidious. Is Maul part of the GALACTIC EMPIRE? Nope. Last time I checked, he was on the run from them and being hunted.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ The quote is contradicted by Actual on screen showings. Maul did match Ashoka blow for blow. And he was on Malachor throughout S2, so saying that happened on Malachor isn't really a valid excuse for Filoni's statement not holding up, given his statement was regarding who could challenge Ashoka during S2.
Guard.
More importantly, Maul didn't match Ahsoka "blow for blow". On his first blow, he was sent flailing backwards and then later on he was driven back.
And no, the context of a specific fight doesn't invalidate a statement of combatant's general abilities. ❌
Originally posted by Darth Thor
As for Malachor apparently being a DS nexus, y'all forget there was likely a massive Light Side presence in the Sith Temple as well from all the dead Jedi corpses. In fact Kanan received his massive amp right after putting on the mask of a fallen Temple Guard.
And yet Kanan did not retain the amp after putting on the mask. Almost as if the amp had nothing to do with the mask 😬
Not that this is relevant since Ahsoka never actually wore the mask.
Also Thor, if you're planning on responding to this, please do me a favor and respond to the entirety of what I've posted. I don't like repeating myself.