Originally posted by Darth Thor
OR we could just look at their (Rebels Maul and Ahsoka's) fight against each other which made it pretty clear they're on a similar level.
There's no need to assume they're exact equals, even ignoring the nexus.
Originally posted by thesithmaster
By doing their best to deny a canonical statement? Good luck with that.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Nobody argued they can't be on the same level. But Given that fight has Ahsoka
A. Send Maul flailing backwards
B. Drive Maul BackThere's no need to assume they're exact equals, even ignoring the nexus.
Nah, TPM Obi-Wan was driving Maul backwards in their final fight. Didn't make him superior.
Driving someone back a couple of steps but within pretty much the same vicinity isn't even worth bringing up tbh.
Fight was a stalemate both failing to overpower the other, and it went on for long enough tbh.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
You realize "blow for blow" is a figure of speech for not being able to perfectly match someone.
Hmm it's almost as if we shouldn't take this statement of completely literally due to the vague wording and context..
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Anyway, that the fight never saw a conclusion doesn't prove it wouldn't have reached one.
It went on for quite a while (by SW standards). Yes there was no conclusion. It's not for Filoni to just give us a ranking system (not that he outright said Ahsoka > Maul). There needs to be some In-Universe evidence as well.
And btw I don't cling to the official site statement, but for the record that is more clear than Filoni's, since that's clearly comparing Maul to Ahsoka and Kanan.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
More importantly, Maul didn't match Ahsoka "blow for blow". On his first blow, he was sent flailing backwards and then later on he was driven back.
Addressed. That honestly means nothing. Landing a physical attack or clearly and continuously driving back might mean something, but not that.
And by the way, Maul isn't always an offensive fighter. He fights defensively a lot as well (in Sabers), but attempts to land physical hits in. He's been doing that all the way since TPM when he was a match for the duo. Also gives ground against Opress and heck even against Vizsla.
In comparison to those Ahsoka hardly drove him back at all.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
And no, the context of a specific fight doesn't invalidate a statement of combatant's general abilities. ❌
It wasn't though. It was a story telling context of no one being able to challenge Ahsoka. Hence the example of Yoda in TCW. Maul clearly is a challenge for Ahsoka, and clearly would be a threat to her, and clearly can match her blows.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Why would a dead jedi corpse boost lightsiders? I'm assuming you're referring to legends here since this isn't explicitly stated in canon, but in legends, killing a jedi boosts darksiders. And in legends it was the mass killing of jedi that turned Malachor into a darkside nexus.
Dude it's speculation but based on what we saw and facts we know. It's not like you know as a fact that the DS Nexus boosted the darksiders given even Pablo Hidalgo couldn't answer that.
Remember in "Rise of the Old Masters" when they kept Luminara's corpse there to lure in Jedi? Even when Kanan got there he could sense her presence so was sure she was there...
In Canon it wasn't the darksiders that killed all the Jedi there. Remember Ahsoka says from what she can tell No One Won.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
And yet Kanan did not retain the amp after putting on the mask. Almost as if the amp had nothing to do with the mask 😬
I wouldn't expect the amp to be permanent. It would definitely have something to do with Kanan's internal state as well. Point is it would be very very difficult for Kanan to suddenly get such a huge Light Side boost on a completely dark side nexus.
The whole place was obviously just strong in the Force.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Not that this is relevant since Ahsoka never actually wore the mask.
There was still a massive Jedi presence there once time, and their corpses still around. In fact they were in that area Maul and Ahsoka were fighting, hence the Mask being there.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Also Thor, if you're planning on responding to this, please do me a favor and respond to the entirety of what I've posted. I don't like repeating myself.
Addressed everything.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nah, TPM Obi-Wan was driving Maul backwards in their final fight. Didn't make him superior.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Driving someone back a couple of steps but within pretty much the same vicinity isn't even worth bringing up tbh.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Fight was a stalemate both failing to overpower the other, and it went on for long enough tbh.
Originally posted by thesithmaster
There's context to that quote too. Even if it was Canon, it would not be, in any way, shape or form, an indicator of Tano>Maul. It is talking about how in CW they had this problem where Yoda couldn't participate because he was so good he could kick the asses of anyone in the opposition, from a battle droid to Count Dooku. In Rebels, they're having the same problem with Ahsoka- she can kick the asses of anyone from her opposition, the GALACTIC EMPIRE, bar Vader and Sidious. Is Maul part of the GALACTIC EMPIRE? Nope. Last time I checked, he was on the run from them and being hunted.
Yeah I seriously doubt he was including Maul in that statement. If he was then his comparison to the Yoda problem in TCW makes no sense as Maul obviously can challenge Ashoka.