Originally posted by Galan007Exactly and the scene shows this. No one needs to read a book save Kurk to understand the obvious. Dooku was destroyed by Anakin who was a lot more formidable than when he lost in aotc.
If you read the novelization in context, you'll find that the one-on-one battle between Anakin and Dooku wasn't really that close at all. Anakin straight-up overwhelmed Dooku... Then killed him.Furthermore, it wasn't implied that Dooku was holding back at all. To the contrary, he was more 'force-amped' than we'd ever seen him before. Ergo the following narrative:
"[Dooku] called upon the Force, gathering it to himself and wrapping himself within it. He breathed it in and held it whirling inside his heart, clenching down upon it until he could feel the spin of the galaxy around him. Until he became the axis of the Universe. This was the real power of the dark side, the power he had suspected even as a boy, had sought through his long life until Darth Sidious had shown him that it had been his all along. The dark side didn't bring him to the center of the universe. It made him the center. He drew power into his innermost being until the Force itself existed only to serve his will."
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Re: Could Dooku have beaten Anakin?
Originally posted by Kurk
Could Dooku have beaten Anakin?
Absolutely.
Under the right circumstances anyone can beat anyone else. Even if those circumstances are absurdly unlikely. Jimmy Olsen with the Infinity Gauntlet can beat Superman. Manchester City can beat Manchester United. It's all a matter of circumstances.
Re: Re: Could Dooku have beaten Anakin?
Originally posted by chilled monkey
Absolutely.Under the right circumstances [B]anyone
can beat anyone else. Even if those circumstances are absurdly unlikely. Jimmy Olsen with the Infinity Gauntlet can beat Superman. Manchester City can beat Manchester United. It's all a matter of circumstances. [/B]
It all comes together.
Dooku's arrogance and ego absolutely played a large part in his downfall. His use of Dun M枚ch against Anakin completely backfired after the "you have hate, you have anger, but you don't use them" line. Dooku simply wasn't expecting a jedi to draw from dark rage; by the time the Count realized this, he had already allowed Anakin to gain too much momentum.
Up until this point, Dooku was handling the duo just fine. I agree he may have been performing at 100% though; he seemed just as strained fighting Kenobi and Skywalker on Oba Diah.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Dooku got raped. Let it go with the silly if this would ah rhappened or if that would have happened.
Originally posted by Kurk
Dooku was "raped" after he caused Anakin to draw from dark energy like I said. Him resorting to force abilities to separate the duo suggests he was indeed strained; that doesn't mean couldn't handle either jedi one-on-one.
He later became a greater Sith than Dooku and he killed people prior to this so no you don't get to ignore his emotions and the fact is dumbas Dookey wookey brought it out.
Read.
The.
Goddamn.
Novel.
Palpatine lured dynamic duo in, told Dooku to get Anakin to kill Obi-Wan, in reality, he was getting Anakin to kill Dooku. Dooku realizes he might actually lose, so he brings in help and stops holding back. He removes Kenobi to even the odds, but then Anakin is "all over him." So much so, that Dooku knows he will die, so he tries to off balance him. It works. Then Palpatine tells Anakin to use his fear of losing him and Obi-Wan. Anakin realizes he's teh mewst pwrfel Jedi evur and ends the fight. Anakin was holding back before, not Dooki. That's what happens. None of the nonsense you keep bringing up for no reason.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceThe novel by Matthew Stover is on my list. Nowadays I typically enlighten myself with relevant non-fiction books rather than wasting time with fantasy and sci-fi, but I guess everyone needs a break every now and then.
Read.
The.
Goddamn.
Novel.Palpatine lured dynamic duo in, told Dooku to get Anakin to kill Obi-Wan, in reality, he was getting Anakin to kill Dooku. Dooku realizes he might actually lose, so he brings in help and stops holding back. He removes Kenobi to even the odds, but then Anakin is "all over him." So much so, that Dooku knows he will die, so he tries to off balance him. It works. Then Palpatine tells Anakin to use his fear of losing him and Obi-Wan. Anakin realizes he's teh mewst pwrfel Jedi evur and ends the fight. Anakin was holding back before, not Dooki. That's what happens. None of the nonsense you keep bringing up for no reason.
Yes Anakin was technically holding back by not tapping into the dark side but like I said, Dooku was expecting to fight a jedi Anakin not sith.
You said it yourself, Sidious told Dooku he wanted Anakin to kill Obi-Wan. Therefore Dooku had a false sense of security; he was under the impression that he was to refrain from killing Anakin and that Sidious would bail him out when he let Anakin win. This is why IMO Dooku didn't intervene with his far superior use of the force near the end when he was overwhelmed by Anakin's saber skills and strength.
As for the two super battle droids, Dooku surely isn't stupid enough to believe that they would really have an effect on the outcome. If he really needed help, he would have borrowed some of Grievous's magnaguards like he did on Naboo or maybe even the general himself. The droids IMO were there to serve as guards in-case the so called chancellor tries to escape while Dooku is fighting (remember same situation on Naboo but with one magnaguard holding Palpatine).
You are really forgetting how arrogant and egoistic Dooku really is. In the end, this was his ultimate downfall against Anakin. Hell, it happened to every sith (TPM Maul, Sidious, RotS Vader, etc ). To me, it seems like a reoccurring theme. Twice the pride double the fall indeed