#Oscar's so White

Originally posted by ares834
Except they aren't. People of color get nominations (and wins) from time to time.

True, it's just disproportionate. Insanely disproportionate:

http://www.indiewire.com/article/the-diversity-gap-in-the-academy-awards-in-infographic-form

And that's before the two consecutive years of no minority nominees.

I mean we can pretend there's no issue, but we'd have to dumb ourselves down a lot, possibly by as much as the percentage of white voters in the Academy Awards.

Now, it's probably not all due to the inherent racism of the Awards, the whole industry has these issues after all, but it's particularly pronounced in these ceremonies.

So out of curiosity, who was nominated that doesn't belong there this year?

Originally posted by Surtur
So out of curiosity, who was nominated that doesn't belong there this year?

You keep talking in these absolutes.

"Someone racist would NEVER vote for a black person"

"You either deserve to be nominated or not"

That's just not how the world works. And you and I literally had this discussion previously when I explained to you the racism in the police and justice system and how it doesn't have to be evil racists that plan to keep down minorities to lead to the outcome we currently have.

I'll try to explain it again though, basically the claim is this, rather than just 5 actors who are nominated for best actor each year there are more, maybe 8 or 10 that would deserve a nomination. Now, out of this pool, the mostly white voters slightly lean towards preferring white actors over black actors, and hence white people are more likely to be nominated.

Originally posted by Surtur
So out of curiosity, who was nominated that doesn't belong there this year?

Jennifer Lawrence for Joy. 😛

So then I take it you don't have any actual reason you are just going off statistics, okay that is all that needed to be said. Problem is in this thread we have people going "what about Michael B Jordan, what about Michael B Jordan" so I'm curious as to who they'd take out for him.

Originally posted by Surtur
So then I take it you don't have any actual reason you are just going off statistics, okay that is all that needed to be said. Problem is in this thread we have people going "what about Michael B Jordan, what about Michael B Jordan" so I'm curious as to who they'd take out for him.

Yeah, I have no problem with any of the actors, they all seem fine and have given good performances. I have a problem with the system that is set up in a way to favour white actors. And I guess further than that I have a problem with the industry which has the same problem on a grander scale.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, I have no problem with any of the actors, they all seem fine and have given good performances. I have a problem with the system that is set up in a way to favour white actors. And I guess further than that I have a problem with the industry which has the same problem on a grander scale.

So what is your take on specific award shows? As in, award shows meant specifically for just a single race. Are they good or bad?

Well, I think award shows for minorities which generally don't have much exposure or get snubbed in general shows make some sense.

I think an award show in the US for only white people would be very distasteful and send a gross, awful message.

Originally posted by Surtur
So out of curiosity, who was nominated that doesn't belong there this year?

Originally posted by ares834
Jennifer Lawrence for Joy. 😛

So then something like the Latin Grammy's, those are okay?

Originally posted by Surtur
So then something like the Latin Grammy's, those are okay?

Well, I think the Latin Grammys actually don't fit what we were talking about, since what they award is Spanish and Portuguese language music, rather than a specific race or anything. But generally sure, I don't see a problem with that kind of thing, like I said.

So they don't give academy awards to like..foreign films or anything? Or is it only foreign english speaking films? Since they definitely nominate actors from outside this country.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Of the nominees depicted I think Eddie Redmayne is the odd man out at least in comparison to Idris Elba in Beast of No Nation IMO.

For Eddie it's the film where he plays a trans-gender chick, right? That is another potential problem for me. Transgender issues have been a hot topic recently, makes me wonder if the movie got oscar buzz solely because it was worthy of it or if it's because it's a movie about an issue people feel more light should be shed on.

I'm not even kidding when I say the first time I ever saw a trailer for it I told myself it will get oscar buzz just because of the subject matter.

Speaking of subject matter, also seems to me like you very rarely see a fantasy/science fiction film get nominated or win best picture. I think the problems go beyond just race. Just looking at the wins..as far back as 1965 we've had ONE fantasy/science fiction movie win. Can't seem to find any actors from fantasy or science fiction that won best actor.

Originally posted by Surtur
So they don't give academy awards to like..foreign films or anything? Or is it only foreign english speaking films? Since they definitely nominate actors from outside this country.

There is a category of foreign language films in the Oscars, which kinda implicitly states that the Oscars are for English language films mainly. Additionally English is spoken in many countries besides the US, in fact it is named after a different country that speaks it as well.

I am not an expert on the Latin Grammys, but that was my impression.

Originally posted by Surtur
For Eddie it's the film where he plays a trans-gender chick, right? That is another potential problem for me. Transgender issues have been a hot topic recently, makes me wonder if the movie got oscar buzz solely because it was worthy of it or if it's because it's a movie about an issue people feel more light should be shed on.

Yeah the movie itself appeared to be pretty lame especially when taking his win from "Theory of Everything" into play where he was Steven Hawkings. As for the subject matter, I believe Carol may also fit into that category as it has two nominations: even though Cate Blanchett was in it.

Assuming that 94% of white voters are racist.

Yeah this is what Stacey Dash thinks about all of this:

http://video.latino.foxnews.com/v/4713743325001/stacey-dash-on-oscars-outrage-no-need-for-bet-image-awards/

Her heritage means her opinion>>>most opinions in this thread in regards to the topic!

🙂

How about they change the system so no one is nominated...all movies that have been released from jan.01-dec.31 go into the oscars and they just announce the winners?

Originally posted by snowdragon
Yeah this is what Stacey Dash thinks about all of this:

http://video.latino.foxnews.com/v/4713743325001/stacey-dash-on-oscars-outrage-no-need-for-bet-image-awards/

Her heritage means her opinion>>>most opinions in this thread in regards to the topic!

🙂

She is calling for an end to segregated awards. Which makes a kind of sense if you're going to see people complaining about racism at an awards show why would you have a "blacks only" award show?

Segregation is either good or bad. Her opinion doesn't matter more, but holy hell it's about time a person of color stood up and said this shit, because if she was white she'd be called racist within a nanosecond.

Originally posted by Shadow_King
How about they change the system so no one is nominated...all movies that have been released from jan.01-dec.31 go into the oscars and they just announce the winners?

You ever hear of an epically terrible movie called "The Room"? You realize if we went with your suggestion then technically upon it's release that movie would of had just as much a shot at "best picture" as..whatever movie actually won that year.

See if you'd seen "The Room" you'd know why such a thing would be a travesty.