Originally posted by ghostmanyes of course, I posted it ages ago when debating WBH.
wow now hold on there fella, you have calcs for this billion planet destruction?
I'll give you a little insight. It takes more than billions of times the force to destroy something from hundreds of meters away (without touching it) than by directly coming Hitting it.
Punch the shitp out someone from 500 meters away and I guarantee you that I won't feel even 1 billionth of that force.
Originally posted by h1a8
No he can't. Even if Thor had the capability to do such then you still have 2 problems1. The thunderclap is too fast, Thor needs seconds to manipulate any form of air weather. The thunderclap would hit Thor in the first microsecond. The Shockwave would travel many times the speed of sound with tremendous force and energy (even electromagnetic energy).
2. The thunderclap is too powerful to stop or even slightly alter.
Nope, that's not a problem at all.
1. Thunderclap produces a shockwave propagating through air; once it's been released it'll settle at the speed of sound -- just like every other form of disturbance travelling in a medium. If the fighters start some 0.5 km away from each other this leaves Thor more than a second to act, which is enough. Thor has been shown to take control over air pretty much instantly.
2. Furthermore, the thunderclap doesn't actually displace a very large volume of air (Hulk's hands are not THAT big), even if it'll get highly compressed. After 0.5 km it'll have spread across a semisphere with the characteristic 1/r^2 attenuation (1/250000th of the value it had when it was 1 meter away from Hulk). A thundergod using a skyfather-forged weapon specifically made to control atmospheric phenomena should be able to disperse said atmospheric phenomenon enough to protect Thor. And he only needs to alter the shockwave's course locally; the power needed is MUCH less (as shown above) than trying to stop the whole wave.
Originally posted by Magnon
Nope, that's not a problem at all.1. Thunderclap produces a shockwave propagating through air; once it's been released it'll settle at the speed of sound -- just like every other form of disturbance travelling in a medium. If the fighters start some 0.5 km away from each other this leaves Thor more than a second to act, which is enough. Thor has been shown to take control over air pretty much instantly.
2. Furthermore, the thunderclap doesn't actually displace a very large volume of air (Hulk's hands are not THAT big), even if it'll get highly compressed. After 0.5 km it'll have spread across a semisphere with the characteristic 1/r^2 attenuation (1/250000th of the value it had when it was 1 meter away from Hulk). A thundergod using a skyfather-forged weapon specifically made to control atmospheric phenomena should be able to disperse said atmospheric phenomenon enough to protect Thor. And he only needs to alter the shockwave's course locally; the power needed is MUCH less (as shown above) than trying to stop the whole wave.
1. Wrong. Thor will get hit in a microsecond or less. Hulk disintegrate thousands of herald level beings and destroyed an entire planet in a few moments. That's far faster than the speed of sound. If the shockwave hit the planet and the beings at the speed of sound then zero damage would be done since they are getting hit with air traveling at the speed of sound. Military explosives (non nuclear) produces shockwaves that travel over 9,000 m/s.
2. Even if Thor had the ability to effect shockwave then he still can't here. For one, it will be too fast. Thor can't activate esoteric powers in under a second. And second, the shockwave is too powerful. Thor can only control the weather to a limited extent or manipulate air to a limited extent. At best he manipulated air to produce wind vortexes (locally from his hammer) with the power of multiple hurricanes. The wind power generated from a hurricane isn't even a trillionth of the power of this thunderclap. This thunderclap with not only hit Thor hard but it would burn the shit out of him.
Originally posted by Magnon
Nope, that's not a problem at all.1. Thunderclap produces a shockwave propagating through air; once it's been released it'll settle at the speed of sound -- just like every other form of disturbance travelling in a medium. If the fighters start some 0.5 km away from each other this leaves Thor more than a second to act, which is enough. Thor has been shown to take control over air pretty much instantly.
2. Furthermore, the thunderclap doesn't actually displace a very large volume of air (Hulk's hands are not THAT big), even if it'll get highly compressed. After 0.5 km it'll have spread across a semisphere with the characteristic 1/r^2 attenuation (1/250000th of the value it had when it was 1 meter away from Hulk). A thundergod using a skyfather-forged weapon specifically made to control atmospheric phenomena should be able to disperse said atmospheric phenomenon enough to protect Thor. And he only needs to alter the shockwave's course locally; the power needed is MUCH less (as shown above) than trying to stop the whole wave.
Hulk hater. Look at this.
http://s30.photobucket.com/user/Hulk3389/media/diablothunderclap.jpg.html
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I thought nothing before Pak counted for you anymore
Never said that. I do question when people "primarily" focus on classic showings when the character they are using it against grown in power. Like Hulk being choked out by a snake or Surfer and the Mexicans. You wouldn't find a writer these days that would write such nonsense but people still mention it KNOWING both Surfer and Hulk (who has had at least 8 upgrades since then) has grown in power. That's my problem.
Originally posted by carver9
Never said that. I do question when people "primarily" focus on classic showings when the character they are using it against grown in power. Like Hulk being choked out by a snake or Surfer and the Mexicans. You wouldn't find a writer these days that would write such nonsense but people still mention it KNOWING both Surfer and Hulk (who has had at least 8 upgrades since then) has grown in power. That's my problem.
You have said several times that everything from before does not count. As a matter of fact it is written in wwh comics and you have used it, don't lie now, my friend 🙂
Also they are not upgrades but different incarnations of the Hulk, witters often say "he has never been this mad" but you know is not true.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
You have said several times that everything from before doen not count. As a matter of fact it is written in wwh comics and you have used it, don't lie now, my friend 🙂
Scans of me saying that. I'm sure I use classic fts. I just don't downplay characters when using it.
Originally posted by carver9
Nope. Never said or done it. I use classic scans but I find it funny to use them when "downplaying" a character that has grown more powerful.
Yes you have 🙂
Anyway not feeling like going post hunting, but you have said it.
So we can return to topic 🙂
Close fight, Thor needs to stay away, but I am leaning towards Hulk
lol yeah, that's.....absurd. a planet was destroyed as a corollary to hulk's fight. it wasn't even actually touched by either hulk or betty. i mean, wft?? orders of magnitude different.
it's also absurd to suppose that thor, who has barely been able to match any normal hulk in strength, can now suddenly elevate himself to match a hulk whose strength is exponentially greater than it has ever been. wth is happening around here?
i'm not commenting on the battle, only the relative strength of each. to say thor is not even CLOSE to this hulk, is among the grossest of understatements.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Lolwut?The mere Shockwaves from Hulks attack killed three of Hulk's most powerful enemies.
On the other hand repeated attacks from Thor destroyed one planet and started to Crack another.
How do they even compare?
Thor and Gorr destroyed planetS, could be two, could be 20 we don't know, it's speculation either way. But we know for certain that the ferocity of their battle was enough to destroy a planet they weren't even standing on, if you can't admit that's at the very least in the ball park of what was happening in HotM, then I can't help you.
Cool, all I'm getting out of that is those three "amped" losers couldn't survive planetary level destruction.
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Thor and Gorr destroyed planetS, could be two, could be 20 we don't know, it's speculation either way. But we know for certain that the ferocity of their battle was enough to destroy a planet they weren't even standing on, if you can't admit that's at the very least in the ball park of what was happening in HotM, then I can't help you.Cool, all I'm getting out of that is those three "amped" losers couldn't survive planetary level destruction.
They could've destroyed dozens of planets and it wouldn't change anything.
When Thor kills even a Meta level character with just the Shockwave of his attacks, let me know.
The random aliens on the moon survived the "Shockwave" which was destroying the moon too.
What a loser!
