World Breaker Hulk VS PIS/CIS Free Thor · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Carver already argued this exact same thing before surprisingly in a thread to pump up Hulk...
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=560584&pagenumber=5
Basically, as soon as Thor stopped holding back he instantly put Bi Beast down. Twice.
Obviously not as good as World Breaker's feat, but Bi Beast is still nothing to a serious Thor.

We discussed this. I got my scans from that same thread. I would give Thor the edge against Bi Beast 'with Mjlonir'.

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by leonidas
you don't think the hulk from the end of heart of the monster is FAR stronger or has FAR more durability than thor? curious as to why. i'd say that final incarnation of hulk would dwarf thor in both areas.....what makes you think either would be close?

WBH was a beast. However ridiculous the feat was, WBB(World Breaker Betty) was the other half of that equation... But I maintain my earlier stance that Hulk is not FAR and away stronger and more durable than Thor considering his high end feats of physical power. One has to consider not only cheese feats, but combat feats against incredibly powerful opponents.

Don't get me wrong. Hulk in HotM was an absolute monster. But Thor has done some ridiculously powerful things throughout his history that sometimes get overlooked.

One that comes to mind is when The Demogorge feasted on multiple champion gods, only Thor was able to endure and break free from Atum's clutches. What makes it that much more impressive was the fact that it just finished feasting on multiple hell lords that included the likes of Set, Pluto, Hela, and Mephisto(skyfatherish characters in their own right). Not one was able to overpower the digestive process of the Demogorge. Contextwise, it is an incredible feat of strength and endurance. The Demogorge had also amped its power after feeding on said gods, but Thor broke free and started to tear shiet up even when his own strength was being sapped away.
http://i.imgur.com/SnZ8VZi.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pJvYnDR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/drhlLMU.jpg

Another incredibly impressive feat was when he hammer tossed the Phoenix entity and briefly ko'd it. What made it even more ridiculous is the fact that the force of Thor's attack sent the entity to a far off planet. Now if that was a herald he knocked, it would have been tremendous still when we take into account the distance the force of the blow produced... But this was the entirety of the Phoenix entity. Nutz. 😬

Originally posted by Damborgson

Description of scene from Hickman himself.

Here we've got a pretty epic confrontation between Thor and the Phoenix. What exactly happens in this scene. Does Thor hit the Phoenix so hard that it needs to stop and refuel?

Yeah, the idea was here's was basically Phoenix versus a god, which, you know, seems like a fair fight. So Thor went and smacked the Phoenix so hard that he knocked the bird out. [Laughs] He thinks he won, but it lands on another planet and then all of a sudden the planet lights up and the Phoenix consumes it. At that point Thor realizes he's screwed, and we realize not even a god can stop it.

How about the time he and Bill indirectly destroyed Surtur's portal that dwarfed the suns? The portal replaced the core of Bill's galaxy. How powerful must the force be to create that kind of a shockwave? This is just stupid.
http://i.imgur.com/4ZFzfT3.png
http://i.imgur.com/3IVUXQV.png
http://i.imgur.com/k9WE1Ar.png

Along with Surfer and Scrier's herald, he tanks an initial attack(before shielding themselves) from 3 beings that were powerful enough to cause multiversal havoc.
http://i.imgur.com/k7PgcBf.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zoHT2z2.jpg

Of course I'd be remiss if I didn't add this. He tanked multiple attacks from beings that on panel crunched a universe(s) to make a toy, killed multiple celestials, killed Lord Chaos and Master Order(and Inbetweener), killed Infinity and Eternity, killed the Living Tribunal who was stated to be the multiverse taken form.
http://i.imgur.com/sMQwsPI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/unTL5Nq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5OCujFn.jpg

Even more bonkers was when he and Hyperion started swatting and smashing a numberless horde of these Beyonders before ultimately falling. In a word, glorious!
http://i.imgur.com/ZRF6h3C.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TvY3g63.jpg

And speaking of Celestials... 😏
http://i.imgur.com/MyBbP6D.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0sqHG5j.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/klIfUeV.jpg

Then we can add him things like the Midgard Serpent, or Godbomb world shattering, or pushing the World Engine which was essentially pushing against the "will" of the World Tree(cosmic axis of the ten realms which we now know are complete universes unto themselves).

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Lol, why you trying so hard to dismiss the feat? I'm not trying to say that Thor is stronger than Hulk, but if you can't accept the fact that what Thor did takes a similar caliber of strength to what Hulk did, then that's your problem.

Dismiss the feat? Where?

You're just desperate at this point. Grey Hulk destroyed an asteroid twice the size of earth.

That doesn't mean he is near WBH in strength.

Stop using CBR tactics.

Yeah, he has fought Bi-Beast, he also didn't go at him like did against Gorr. If he hit Bi-Beast hard enough to destroy a planet they weren't even standing on, BB would be deader than shit.

So how much was Thor holding back? A billion times? A trillion? Thor didn't even destroy the building they were in.

So it must be quintillion times holding back, right?

Collateral damage isn't the way to measure up strength. This isn't cbr.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
WBH was a beast. However ridiculous the feat was, WBB(World Breaker Betty) was the other half of that equation... But I maintain my earlier stance that Hulk is not FAR and away stronger and more durable than Thor considering his high end feats of physical power. One has to consider not only cheese feats, but combat feats against incredibly powerful opponents.
Don't get me wrong. Hulk in HotM was an absolute monster. But Thor has done some ridiculously powerful things throughout his history that sometimes get overlooked.
One that comes to mind is when The Demogorge feasted on multiple champion gods, only Thor was able to endure and break free from Atum's clutches. What makes it that much more impressive was the fact that it just finished feasting on multiple hell lords that included the likes of Set, Pluto, Hela, and Mephisto(skyfatherish characters in their own right). Not one was able to overpower the digestive process of the Demogorge. Contextwise, it is an incredible feat of strength and endurance. The Demogorge had also amped its power after feeding on said gods, but Thor broke free and started to tear shiet up even when his own strength was being sapped away.
http://i.imgur.com/SnZ8VZi.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pJvYnDR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/drhlLMU.jpg
Another incredibly impressive feat was when he hammer tossed the Phoenix entity and briefly ko'd it. What made it even more ridiculous is the fact that the force of Thor's attack sent the entity to a far off planet. Now if that was a herald he knocked, it would have been tremendous still when we take into account the distance the force of the blow produced... But this was the entirety of the Phoenix entity. Nutz. 😬
Description of scene from Hickman himself.
Here we've got a pretty epic confrontation between Thor and the Phoenix. What exactly happens in this scene. Does Thor hit the Phoenix so hard that it needs to stop and refuel?
[b]Yeah, the idea was here's was basically Phoenix versus a god, which, you know, seems like a fair fight. So Thor went and smacked the Phoenix so hard that he knocked the bird out. [Laughs] He thinks he won, but it lands on another planet and then all of a sudden the planet lights up and the Phoenix consumes it. At that point Thor realizes he's screwed, and we realize not even a god can stop it.
How about the time he and Bill indirectly destroyed Surtur's portal that dwarfed the suns? The portal replaced the core of Bill's galaxy. How powerful must the force be to create that kind of a shockwave? This is just stupid.
http://i.imgur.com/4ZFzfT3.png
http://i.imgur.com/3IVUXQV.png
http://i.imgur.com/k9WE1Ar.png
Along with Surfer and Scrier's herald, he tanks an initial attack(before shielding themselves) from 3 beings that were powerful enough to cause multiversal havoc.
http://i.imgur.com/k7PgcBf.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zoHT2z2.jpg
Of course I'd be remiss if I didn't add this. He tanked multiple attacks from beings that on panel crunched a universe(s) to make a toy, killed multiple celestials, killed Lord Chaos and Master Order(and Inbetweener), killed Infinity and Eternity, killed the Living Tribunal who was stated to be the multiverse taken form.
http://i.imgur.com/sMQwsPI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/unTL5Nq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5OCujFn.jpg
Even more bonkers was when he and Hyperion started swatting and smashing a numberless horde of these Beyonders before ultimately falling. In a word, glorious!
http://i.imgur.com/ZRF6h3C.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TvY3g63.jpg
And speaking of Celestials... 😏
http://i.imgur.com/MyBbP6D.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0sqHG5j.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/klIfUeV.jpg
Then we can add him things like the Midgard Serpent, or Godbomb world shattering, or pushing the World Engine which was essentially pushing against the "will" of the World Tree(cosmic axis of the ten realms which we now know are complete universes unto themselves). [/B]

😂

So is Thor stronger than savage hulk? Because this happens when Thor goes against savage hulk.

Because we know for a fact that even a holding back WWH was at least several times stronger than savage hulk by comparison.

Go ahead, make Thorbags proud.

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Wow. The utter butthurt... I love it. You do know this already takes your petty quotient to the tenth power right?

😬

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Wow. The utter butthurt... I love it. You do know this already takes your petty quotient to the tenth power right?
😬

Posting a fight between Hulk and Thor from Thor's own book is now butthurt?

If you think Thor can match WBH in strength or come close to it, you should have no problem saying he is stronger than savage hulk.

I'm still waiting for Thor to shitstomp Hulk in a fight saying "I battled Gorr and Beyonders bro. You're weaker than me. Thor is the strongest one there is."

Maybe twentieth time will be the charm.

Oh wait.

Hulk was lucky Thor didn't stop holding back with his face.

carver9 Senior Member

Lol

Khazra Reborn Champion of Midgard

Originally posted by abhilegend
Dismiss the feat? Where?
You're just desperate at this point. Grey Hulk destroyed an asteroid twice the size of earth.
That doesn't mean he is near WBH in strength.
Stop using CBR tactics.
So how much was Thor holding back? A billion times? A trillion? Thor didn't even destroy the building they were in.
So it must be quintillion times holding back, right?
Collateral damage isn't the way to measure up strength. This isn't cbr.

Wtf is cbr?

I'm not desperate for anything, I'm just saying what happened. You're the one who is bitching about the feat.

Well, there were civilians around, he couldn't have gone hog wild.

Khazra Reborn Champion of Midgard

Originally posted by abhilegend
Posting a fight between Hulk and Thor from Thor's own book is now butthurt?
If you think Thor can match WBH in strength or come close to it, you should have no problem saying he is stronger than savage hulk.
I'm still waiting for Thor to shitstomp Hulk in a fight saying "I battled Gorr and Beyonders bro. You're weaker than me. Thor is the strongest one there is."
Maybe twentieth time will be the charm.
Oh wait.
Hulk was lucky Thor didn't stop holding back with his face.

Maybe go for something canon.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
WBH was a beast. However ridiculous the feat was, WBB(World Breaker Betty) was the other half of that equation... But I maintain my earlier stance that Hulk is not FAR and away stronger and more durable than Thor considering his high end feats of physical power. One has to consider not only cheese feats, but combat feats against incredibly powerful opponents.
Don't get me wrong. Hulk in HotM was an absolute monster. But Thor has done some ridiculously powerful things throughout his history that sometimes get overlooked.
One that comes to mind is when The Demogorge feasted on multiple champion gods, only Thor was able to endure and break free from Atum's clutches. What makes it that much more impressive was the fact that it just finished feasting on multiple hell lords that included the likes of Set, Pluto, Hela, and Mephisto(skyfatherish characters in their own right). Not one was able to overpower the digestive process of the Demogorge. Contextwise, it is an incredible feat of strength and endurance. The Demogorge had also amped its power after feeding on said gods, but Thor broke free and started to tear shiet up even when his own strength was being sapped away.
http://i.imgur.com/SnZ8VZi.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pJvYnDR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/drhlLMU.jpg
Another incredibly impressive feat was when he hammer tossed the Phoenix entity and briefly ko'd it. What made it even more ridiculous is the fact that the force of Thor's attack sent the entity to a far off planet. Now if that was a herald he knocked, it would have been tremendous still when we take into account the distance the force of the blow produced... But this was the entirety of the Phoenix entity. Nutz. 😬
Description of scene from Hickman himself.
Here we've got a pretty epic confrontation between Thor and the Phoenix. What exactly happens in this scene. Does Thor hit the Phoenix so hard that it needs to stop and refuel?
[b]Yeah, the idea was here's was basically Phoenix versus a god, which, you know, seems like a fair fight. So Thor went and smacked the Phoenix so hard that he knocked the bird out. [Laughs] He thinks he won, but it lands on another planet and then all of a sudden the planet lights up and the Phoenix consumes it. At that point Thor realizes he's screwed, and we realize not even a god can stop it.
How about the time he and Bill indirectly destroyed Surtur's portal that dwarfed the suns? The portal replaced the core of Bill's galaxy. How powerful must the force be to create that kind of a shockwave? This is just stupid.
http://i.imgur.com/4ZFzfT3.png
http://i.imgur.com/3IVUXQV.png
http://i.imgur.com/k9WE1Ar.png
Along with Surfer and Scrier's herald, he tanks an initial attack(before shielding themselves) from 3 beings that were powerful enough to cause multiversal havoc.
http://i.imgur.com/k7PgcBf.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zoHT2z2.jpg
Of course I'd be remiss if I didn't add this. He tanked multiple attacks from beings that on panel crunched a universe(s) to make a toy, killed multiple celestials, killed Lord Chaos and Master Order(and Inbetweener), killed Infinity and Eternity, killed the Living Tribunal who was stated to be the multiverse taken form.
http://i.imgur.com/sMQwsPI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/unTL5Nq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5OCujFn.jpg
Even more bonkers was when he and Hyperion started swatting and smashing a numberless horde of these Beyonders before ultimately falling. In a word, glorious!
http://i.imgur.com/ZRF6h3C.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TvY3g63.jpg
And speaking of Celestials... 😏
http://i.imgur.com/MyBbP6D.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0sqHG5j.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/klIfUeV.jpg
Then we can add him things like the Midgard Serpent, or Godbomb world shattering, or pushing the World Engine which was essentially pushing against the "will" of the World Tree(cosmic axis of the ten realms which we now know are complete universes unto themselves). [/B]

Hilarious.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Maybe go for something canon.

It is canon though.

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by abhilegend
Posting a fight between Hulk and Thor from Thor's own book is now butthurt?
If you think Thor can match WBH in strength or come close to it, you should have no problem saying he is stronger than savage hulk.
I'm still waiting for Thor to shitstomp Hulk in a fight saying "I battled Gorr and Beyonders bro. You're weaker than me. Thor is the strongest one there is."
Maybe twentieth time will be the charm.
Oh wait.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/67330/1353156-thorowned.jpg
Hulk was lucky Thor didn't stop holding back with his face.

Why would I have a problem saying that when I'm already arguing that Hulk's high end(WBH) is not far and away better than Thor's best? Common sense please.

Remember this is Thor at his best on panel... Or what you Superman fans like to call, no longer holding back.
😂

And to be fair Thor already had him beat, but did not follow through. He was asking Hulk to stand down, but got surprised while in the process of doing so.

Khazra Reborn Champion of Midgard

Originally posted by carver9
It is canon though.

Nope.

Horrificus Senior Member

Originally posted by ghostman
wow now hold on there fella, you have calcs for this billion planet destruction?

well, the problem is, that even if they did have supporting "calcs" on hand, they would be rooted in the "reality" of the 616. But the galactic-scale destruction that keeps getting referred to, happened in the Dark Dimension, not in the 616 proper. There is also the possibility that Hulk was being amped through a certain magic/wishing/thing.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Horrificus
well, the problem is, that even if they did have supporting "calcs" on hand, they would be rooted in the "reality" of the 616. But the galactic-scale destruction that keeps getting referred to, happened in the Dark Dimension, not in the 616 proper. There is also the possibility that Hulk was being amped through a certain magic/wishing/thing.

I would love for you to prove Hulk was amped when he went World Breaker on multiples of occasions before going in the Dark Dimension and ADMIT he was done holding back. Provide scans of Hulk being amped. The only person who was amped was Betty, Armageddon, Bi Beast and Wendigo.

naurtoisbeast Restricted

Originally posted by Facee
Knowing Thor he'll try to brawl.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
True, dat.
Thor just drains all the energy out of the Hulk.

i think hulk will win here

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Wtf is cbr?
I'm not desperate for anything, I'm just saying what happened. You're the one who is bitching about the feat.
Well, there were civilians around, he couldn't have gone hog wild.

You should know. You're the one who is arguing like it.

Of course you are desperate.

So how much was he holding back?

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Maybe go for something canon.

It is perfectly canon.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Why would I have a problem saying that when I'm already arguing that Hulk's high end(WBH) is not far and away better than Thor's best? Common sense please.

So you're saying Thor is stronger than savage hulk? Despite Thor already conceding that savage hulk is stronger than him and narration describing the same? Proof of Thor being stronger than savage hulk please.

Remember this is Thor at his best on panel... Or what you Superman fans like to call, no longer holding back.
😂

We have already seen non holding back Thor fighting savage hulk in Thor 385.

Hulk beat the ****ing shit out of him.

And to be fair Thor already had him beat, but did not follow through. He was asking Hulk to stand down, but got surprised while in the process of doing so.

He hit Hulk a few times with the hammer.

Hulk then completely overpowered him like a bully does to a small kid.

"Stop hitting yourself Thor".

"Well gee, I'm surprised. I can't. "

That's not what happened.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by carver9
I would love for you to prove Hulk was amped when he went World Breaker on multiples of occasions before going in the Dark Dimension and ADMIT he was done holding back. Provide scans of Hulk being amped. The only person who was amped was Betty, Armageddon, Bi Beast and Wendigo.

Step aside Carver, a true Hulk fan is arguing on his behalf.

badawe

One Big Mob Dead

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor is my favorite marvel character and second favorite after superman.