Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But let's put this Black Adam thing to rest.Sure, he has his high showings (carver, never knew all Amazos were the same!)
Yet, he is also:
Slower than Jay Garrick:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/109694/2893490-1973624_black_adam_and_jay_3_super.jpg
Note, it's not his speed that flags...it's his strength.Weaker than Captain Nazi
KOed by FS.
IIRC he did poorly against Billy not only power sharing with both Mary and Freddy, but had a broken arm.
Originally posted by carver9
I think Darksaint is bored. Anyways, Black Adam consistently had displayed power that could potentially put him above Herald tier.
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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Just to be clear: I don't hate BA, I just hate carver.
Above Herald tier, eh? Just like the Imperiex Probes?
Originally posted by carver9
Black Adam's still viable even though he routinely goes toe to toe with high heralds. And Imperiex probes are being drafted even though they were shaking off damage from high heralds.
So, back to the thread......
During OWAW, Superman was SHREDDING Imperiex Probes, even though previously, as per carver, they were 'shaking off damage from high heralds'.
IOW, Probes = Trans.
And Superman tore through multiple probes.
Getting back on topic. Just a few things regarding Odin and Thanos fight.
A lot of people say that Odin did some serious jobbing there, but in truth it was just an incredible feat for Thanos. First of all, Odin strait up one shotted powerful heralds like Drax and Surfer as if they were absolutely nothing and there's no logical reason to assume he was holding back more against Thanos than he was against Surfer/Drax. So most likely every blast he withstood was capable of KOing someone with Surfer's(and or Drax) level of durability at the very least. What's more, while Thor was trapped in that containment cube it was specifically noted that his strength was increasing geometrically. Then they traveled to Asgard and fought everyone and he STILL hadn't broken out. Just imagine what Thor's strength was by time... and consider the fact that Odin broke out of his cube right away so he was actually functioning at a level of power far and away surpassing that of B&T Thor with a significant geometric increase in strength/power.
Point is that Odin may have "showier" fights to his credit and instances of causing more collateral damage but it's really not a "low" showing for him by any stretch of the imagination. Thanos was just written to be THAT tough in the fight. I'd also like to point out that Thor/pg just ran through the Infinity Watch aided by two other powerful heroes in Silver Surfer and Dr. strange. Yet Thanos was going rounds with him for an extended period of time and actually stopped him in his tracks via force block.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Everyone wants a piece of carver. Show him why he belongs with you. A little romance and magic. He will see and make the right call. Right now carver kind of has all the power.
I know, I know....
It's just...it gets difficult, you know? Seeing him gallivanting about, safe, happy and secure in his idiocy - there is no better poster for whom the phrase 'ignorance is bliss' is more apt.
Originally posted by PhilYeah, BA has pretty much *the* best track record of anyone in the herald tier. That said, Firestorm beating him at all is extremely impressive... But KO'ing him with a single blast? Truly unprecedented for another herald-leveler. iirc, the only character with a similar feat(ie. one-shotting Adam) is Onimar Synn, who is a bonafide trans-leveler.
I remember as I read all of his appearances, I went "Damn, that would have been the nigh-perfect record if not for this.On the other hand, that makes Firestorm's feat that much greater.
IOW, Firestorm deserves to be worshiped. sly
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I know, I know....It's just...it gets difficult, you know? Seeing him gallivanting about, safe, happy and secure in his idiocy - there is no better poster for whom the phrase 'ignorance is bliss' is more apt.
He balances your knowledge in comics and your logic with his lack of comics knowledge and logic 😉
Is a perfect match
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Getting back on topic. Just a few things regarding Odin and Thanos fight.A lot of people say that Odin did some serious jobbing there, but in truth it was just an incredible feat for Thanos. First of all, Odin strait up one shotted heralds like Drax and Surfer as if they were absolutely nothing and there's no logical reason to assume he was holding back more against Thanos than he was against Surfer/Drax. So most likely every blast he withstood was capable of KOing someone with Surfer's(and or Drax) level of durability at the very least. What's more, while Thor was trapped in that containment cube it was specifically noted that his strength was increasing geometrically. Then they traveled to Asgard and fought everyone and he STILL hadn't broken out. Just imagine what Thor's strength was by time... and consider the fact that Odin broke out of his cube right away so he was actually functioning at a level of power far and away surpassing that of B&T Thor with a significant geometric increase in strength/power.
Point is that Odin may have "showier" fights to his credit and instances of causing more collateral damage but it's really not a "low" showing for him by any stretch of the imagination. Thanos was just written to be THAT tough in the fight. I'd also like to point out that Thor/pg just ran through the Infinity Watch aided by two other powerful heroes in Silver Surfer and Dr. strange. Yet Thanos was going rounds with him for an extended period of time and actually stopped him in his tracks via force block.
You also forgot to note what Odin said about Thanos power level.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17More or less I see Odin and the skyfathers around that level. They can reach up just as some heros can, and do some crazy feats, but even Odin burns himself out doing that. He completely spent himself trying to amp up to Galactus level.
Getting back on topic. Just a few things regarding Odin and Thanos fight.A lot of people say that Odin did some serious jobbing there, but in truth it was just an incredible feat for Thanos. First of all, Odin strait up one shotted powerful heralds like Drax and Surfer as if they were absolutely nothing and there's no logical reason to assume he was holding back more against Thanos than he was against Surfer/Drax. So most likely every blast he withstood was capable of KOing someone with Surfer's(and or Drax) level of durability at the very least. What's more, while Thor was trapped in that containment cube it was specifically noted that his strength was increasing geometrically. Then they traveled to Asgard and fought everyone and he STILL hadn't broken out. Just imagine what Thor's strength was by time... and consider the fact that Odin broke out of his cube right away so he was actually functioning at a level of power far and away surpassing that of B&T Thor with a significant geometric increase in strength/power.
Point is that Odin may have "showier" fights to his credit and instances of causing more collateral damage but it's really not a "low" showing for him by any stretch of the imagination. Thanos was just written to be THAT tough in the fight. I'd also like to point out that Thor/pg just ran through the Infinity Watch aided by two other powerful heroes in Silver Surfer and Dr. strange. Yet Thanos was going rounds with him for an extended period of time and actually stopped him in his tracks via force block.
Surely the gap exists, but the gap between herald/trans/skyfather isn't as significant as some would believe. Odin isn't a universe shaking galaxy busting badass these days, I'm afraid.
As you pointed out, he had feats like slapping aside Surfer with a minor annoyance. It was more a good feat for Thanos than a bad one for Odin. In fact, it was probably a solid one for Odin as well.
Originally posted by Galan007I liked Jason as Firestorm around the time of the Crisis'. I have all those issues.
Yeah, BA has pretty much *the* best track record of anyone in the herald tier. That said, Firestorm beating him at all is extremely impressive... But KO'ing him with a single blast? Truly unprecedented for another herald-leveler. iirc, the only character with a similar feat(ie. one-shotting Adam) is Onimar Synn, who is a bonafide trans-leveler.IOW, Firestorm deserves to be worshiped. sly
Originally posted by Juntai
More or less I see Odin and the skyfathers around that level. They can reach up just as some heros can, and do some crazy feats, but even Odin burns himself out doing that. He completely spent himself trying to amp up to Galactus level.Surely the gap exists, but the gap between herald/trans/skyfather isn't as significant as some would believe. Odin isn't a universe shaking galaxy busting badass these days, I'm afraid.
As you pointed out, he had feats like slapping aside Surfer with a minor annoyance. It was more a good feat for Thanos than a bad one for Odin. In fact, it was probably a solid one for Odin as well.
And concerning Galactus, he just went rounds with two beings who were stated that by themselves can cause multiversal destruction and would have made what Chaos King did a joke?
shrug
Originally posted by celeyhyga17👆
I know we've gone through this before, but didn't we recently find out that Odin tore off a complete working universe from the World Tree? And didn't he also just manipulate the energies of an amped Surtur that threatened to burn all of the 9 realms? Energies that were stated to be powerful enough to engulf the multiverse?And concerning Galactus, he just went rounds with two beings who were stated that by themselves can cause multiversal destruction and would have made what Chaos King did a joke?
shrug
