OWAW Superman vs Odin...

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, BA has pretty much *the* best track record of anyone in the herald tier. That said, Firestorm beating him at all is extremely impressive... But KO'ing him with a single blast? Truly unprecedented for another herald-leveler. iirc, the only character with a similar feat(ie. one-shotting Adam) is Onimar Synn, who is a bonafide trans-leveler.

IOW, Firestorm deserves to be worshiped. sly

Plus the giant footstomp happened an extended fight.

Firestorm is a queer though, plus wasn't he tapping into the Phoenix Force at the time?

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Synn never one shotted Adam. Adam wasn't even shown ko'ed iirc.

Plus the giant footstomp happened an extended fight.

Firestorm is a queer though, plus wasn't he tapping into the Phoenix Force at the time?

Originally posted by Juntai
I liked Jason as Firestorm around the time of the Crisis'. I have all those issues.

I doubt FS will ever recover from that mess. 🙁

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Synn never one shotted Adam. Adam wasn't even shown ko'ed iirc.

Plus the giant footstomp happened an extended fight.

Firestorm is a queer though, plus wasn't he tapping into the Phoenix Force at the time?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I know we've gone through this before, but didn't we recently find out that Odin tore off a complete working universe from the World Tree? And didn't he also just manipulate the energies of an amped Surtur that threatened to burn all of the 9 realms? Energies that were stated to be powerful enough to engulf the multiverse?

And concerning Galactus, he just went rounds with two beings who were stated that by themselves can cause multiversal destruction and would have made what Chaos King did a joke?

shrug

Surtur was also because he set the world tree on fire. Burning the 9 realms would destroy 616 alone. They're calling it multiverse, because of calling the realms universes. It's stupid, but it's still only 1 universe [616] and some pocket dimensions.. Each Marvel universe in the multiverse has it's own tree and Thor and realms etc. How much power does this require? Do you believe being at the tree and setting the tree on fire might have something to do with it?

As for Galactus, what showing? Who did he fight? What have they done on panel?

Originally posted by Juntai
The Heven thing was well in the past.
He cut it from the world tree, severing it's natural link to the other realms. How much power does this require? Do you believe being at the world tree location was part of this feat?

Surtur was also because he set the world tree on fire. Burning the 9 realms would destroy 616 alone. They're calling it multiverse, because of calling the realms universes. It's stupid, but it's still only 1 universe [616] and some pocket dimensions.. How much power does this require? Do you believe being at the tree and setting the tree on fire might have something to do with it?

As for Galactus, what showing? Who did he fight? What have they done on panel?

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you want to pretend it's stupid therefore it doesn't count. You also said canon feats shouldn't count because they haven't happened recently.

I understand you have a problem with reading comprehension, but shit man.
He replied to my saying this;

Originally posted by Juntai
Odin isn't a universe shaking galaxy busting badass these days, I'm afraid.

With a Odin feat from way in the past.

Which is why I disregarded it, as saying it was in the past.

Originally posted by Juntai
It would destroy 616 universe. No more or less. Calling it a multiverse doesn't change it's scope.

I understand you have a problem with reading comprehension, but shit man.
He replied to my saying this;

With a Odin feat from way in the past.

Which is why I disregarded it, as saying it was in the past.

The feats of the past are still canon. Owaw isn't canon to current dcnu Superman. Canon feats always count. Different writers perceive power levels differently so quit picking and choosing. If it's canon it's fair game. You won't hear me say Odin stops time as that isn't the norm for the character anyways.

Ps. Glad to have you back in Quan's court.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It was called that so saying it doesn't count when the worst was clearly used is ignoring on panel evidence.

The feats of the past are still canon. Owaw isn't canon to current dcnu Superman. Canon feats always count. Different writers perceive power levels differently so quit picking and choosing. If it's canon it's fair game. You won't hear me say Odin stops time as that isn't the norm for the character anyways.

Ps. Glad to have you back in Quan's court.

Odin not being portrayed as strong as he was in the past is also canon.

OWAW is the Superman being used here, so that doesn't matter.

You're still on ignore. I just looked once.

All the feats he mentioned were written in the last like 3 years... and the galaxy busting happened in the last 20.

I don't understand this logic at all.

And the Surtur feat was going to be omniversal had it happened in otherworld. But it didn't so it was only in the 9 realms. Still impressive to casually deflect it though.

Originally posted by Juntai
616 is a universe. Calling it a universe isn't ignoring on panel evidence.

Odin not being portrayed as strong as he was in the past is also canon.

OWAW is the Superman being used here, so that doesn't matter.

You're still on ignore. I just looked once.

Says you but all his showings count. Manipulating multiversal energies is pretty amazing and standing up to Galactus is also pretty amazing. Iyo he isn't but opinions vary but all canon showings are fair game. Superman still has a weakness to magic in this thread unless you can prove otherwise.

Not apparently at the moment.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
All the feats he mentioned were written in the last like 3 years... and the galaxy busting happened in the last 20.

I don't understand this logic at all.

And the Surtur feat was going to be omniversal had it happened in otherworld. But it didn't so it was only in the 9 realms. Still impressive to casually deflect it though.

The others I asked questions about.

The world tree feats are not unlike being in the higher dimension of the New Gods.

Here's Superman and Orion fighting a guy that can potentially destroy multiverses, apparently [as could Orion and Superman?]. By shitty logic of accounting that being at the crux/in a higher dimension doesn't seem to matter.
http://s165.photobucket.com/user/Galan007/media/NewGods2.jpg.html
http://s165.photobucket.com/user/Galan007/media/NewGods3.jpg.html

Originally posted by Juntai
When it was written doesn't change when it was set. I said he's not written like that anymore, he brought up a feat chronologically even older than the one I mentioned him not being written as strong as anymore.

The others I asked questions about.

The world tree feats are not unlike being in the higher dimension of the New Gods.

Here's Superman and Orion fighting a guy that can potentially destroy multiverses, apparently [as could Orion and Superman?]. By shitty logic of accounting that being at the crux/in a higher dimension doesn't seem to matter.
http://s165.photobucket.com/user/Galan007/media/NewGods2.jpg.html
http://s165.photobucket.com/user/Galan007/media/NewGods3.jpg.html

They grow big enough to step on universes in the world tree?

Why are other Superman feats being called into question when this is just OWAW version. Funny how despite this version only lets bring in any other feat because hey it's Superman.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
So your argument is that Odin gets weaker as he gets older or something? Isn't the implication the exact opposite?

They grow big enough to step on universes in the world tree?

Do you see Odin that fought Galactus as stronger or weaker than the Odin that fought Seth?

For that matter. Do you feel fighting Seth at the World Tree might have also caused the effects we saw there?
Notice a trend with these galaxy/universe/multiverse feats?
All being at the tree.

I mean just a couple stories before that he struggled with Thanos.

The Galactus and Thanos fights were away from the tree. . .

Originally posted by Juntai
Big enough that the 'multiverse' [universe] is represented as a tree of varying size. [Sometimes its barely taller than Thor.]

Do you see Odin that fought Galactus as stronger or weaker than the Odin that fought Seth?

For that matter. Do you feel fighting Seth at the World Tree might have also caused the effects we saw there?
Notice a trend with these galaxy/universe/multiverse feats?

I mean just a couple stories before that he struggled with Thanos.

Weaker, because he was weakened during most of it.

And the World Tree wasn't even attacked to my recollection, though I'm not denying the drastic consequences of that.

You're barking up the wrong tree with these collateral damage feats. I'm not arguing for or against them as a basis for power. I'm just wondering what sort of actual proof you have to just go "Nope, doesn't count because this actually happened a long time ago!"
You're talking about a millenia old being in a universe that doesn't go through constant reboots, no shit he's going to have old feats both in universe and in old comics. To actually prove he grew weaker is a different story entirely though.

But it all revolves around Thanos. If it makes you feel better, maybe it was a good feat for Thanos. Maybe it wasn't.
Maybe some attacks just reach farther than others. Maybe some writers put bigger emphasis on attacks.

I also don't subscribe to the collateral damage feats. What matters is how Odin has been consistently portrayed as far greater than Thor, Surfer, etc. type heroes. He operates on a much higher level despite some of these heroes best feats we know he'd smite them quite easily in a forum battle.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
And as such this allows one to pluck a universe from it and place it somewhere else after it's detached from said dimension shrinker?

Weaker, because he was weakened during most of it.

And the World Tree wasn't even attacked to my recollection, though I'm not denying the drastic consequences of that.

You're barking up the wrong tree with these collateral damage feats. I'm not arguing for or against them as a basis for power. I'm just wondering what sort of actual proof you have to just go "Nope, doesn't count because this actually happened a long time ago!"
You're talking about a millenia old being in a universe that doesn't go through constant reboots, no shit he's going to have old feats both in universe and in old comics. To actually prove he grew weaker is a different story entirely though.

But it all revolves around Thanos. If it makes you feel better, maybe it was a good feat for Thanos. Maybe it wasn't.
Maybe some attacks just reach farther than others. Maybe some writers put bigger emphasis on attacks.

Like Seth setting the tree on fire.

Or Odin severing Heven from the rest of the 9 by way of World Tree.

These feats have more to do with where than application of power.

Beyond that, he exists somewhere below Galactus, but not too far, and above Thanos, but not too far.

No galaxy buster anymore. As I said in my earlier post.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I also don't subscribe to the collateral damage feats. What matters is how Odin has been consistently portrayed as far greater than Thor, Surfer, etc. type heroes. He operates on a much higher level despite some of these heroes best feats we know he'd smite them quite easily in a forum battle.

I never suggested otherwise.

But Celey got on me for saying he's not a galaxy buster universe shaker anymore. And he's not.
And when he does those feats, its because he's at the World Tree.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I also don't subscribe to the collateral damage feats. What matters is how Odin has been consistently portrayed as far greater than Thor, Surfer, etc. type heroes. He operates on a much higher level despite some of these heroes best feats we know he'd smite them quite easily in a forum battle.

Not to mention Thanos would kick the christ out of Seth no matter how many galaxies he destroyed anyway. You can't judge a book by how much space it takes up next to your blu ray collection. Especially when that book has like 200 words in it with over 400 pages (****ing Jimmy Page).

The attempts to just disregard them however are something worth noting.

So canon feats don't count to juntai. They expired. Good to know and the other more recent feats just don't make any sense so let's wipe them off the map too.