Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, you are. You are asking that people in a designated space have to listen to your bullshit even if it's against the rules of the space. That's what you are whining about.
I'm not asking anyone to listen to me. I'm asking them not to be sensitive little girls.
Which again though: you calling anyone else out on whining is priceless to me.
But who gets to decide what behaving badly is, who has authority over certain spaces?
If you wanna kick someone off of your private property that you own, you're well within you're rights to do so. But giving people the power to moderate ideas in speech in public places is bullshit. The power to moderate ideas and free speech is not something we should just hand out to people who aren't even emotionally mature enough to handle reality. Promoting escapism via controlling speech and ideas is just blatantly unhealthy.
Originally posted by Surtur
I'm not asking anyone to listen to me. I'm asking them not to be sensitive little girls.Which again though: you calling anyone else out on whining is priceless to me.
Well, we can just look back in this thread, you've been whining non-stop about "how dare they have safe spaces"....
You just don't get to say whatever you want wherever you want. Not just in what is called safe spaces, basically any social settings has rules you have to abide by. How upset and outraged you get about this trivial concept is really telling.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I'm not saying they are victims. I'm saying they may prefer to have a place where they don't have to deal with it, and it's perfectly fine for them to have that place.
They have that place, it is called their home.
Originally posted by Bardock42
No one has the duty to educate someone else, and if someone goes to a space that has certain rules and breaks them it's perfectly reasonable for them to be asked to leave. That's not an offence, breaking the rule was the offence.
If one does not care enough to educate someone else, then he does not care enough to be offended.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
But who gets to decide what behaving badly is, who has authority over certain spaces?If you wanna kick someone off of your private property that you own, you're well within you're rights to do so. But giving people the power to moderate ideas in speech in public places is bullshit. The power to moderate ideas and free speech is not something we should just hand out to people who aren't even emotionally mature enough to handle reality. Promoting escapism via controlling speech and ideas is just blatantly unhealthy.
TBH this common sense view should prevail.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, we can just look back in this thread, you've been whining non-stop about "how dare they have safe spaces"....
Yep, I said the idea was utterly ridiculous. Which, it is. The thread was about safe spaces, and meant for us to disclose our opinions of them. I find it asinine, I find it counterproductive. It's not a "omg how dare they" it's a "wow this is f*cking silly to me".
You just don't get to say whatever you want wherever you want. Not just in what is called safe spaces, basically any social settings has rules you have to abide by. How upset and outraged you get about this trivial concept is really telling.
Nobody ever said people can say whatever they want though. But hey it's cool, you bending over backwards to justify this is quite telling to me as well. So awesome, we're both telling each other things.
But when it comes to saying what you want, if you have a black guy in a room and someone comes up, gets in his face, and begins screaming racial slurs at the dude, and just overall being aggressive...I never said people should ignore that type of shit.
I was mostly going off what Omega said about this being about 90% being polite. Which to me is bunk because if you can't handle a person being rude you are a child. So don't come back acting like I ever said "do whatever the f*ck you want".
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
They have that place, it is called their home.If one does not care enough to educate someone else, then he does not care enough to be offended.
Yes, they have their home (if they are lucky), and maybe they have other places as well, perhaps a bar they frequent that has certain rules or a space on campus that's designated as a safe space for people to hang out...
That's beautifully said, but obviously nonsense. You only have limited time in your life and not everyone is worth educating.
Originally posted by Surtur
Yep, I said the idea was utterly ridiculous. Which, it is. The thread was about safe spaces, and meant for us to disclose our opinions of them. I find it asinine, I find it counterproductive. It's not a "omg how dare they" it's a "wow this is f*cking silly to me".Nobody ever said people can say whatever they want though. But hey it's cool, you bending over backwards to justify this is quite telling to me as well. So awesome, we're both telling each other things, learning things about each other.
But when it comes to saying what you want, if you have a black guy in a room and someone comes up, gets in his face, and begins screaming racial slurs at the dude, and just overall being aggressive...I never said people should ignore that type of shit.
I was mostly going off what Omega said about this being about 90% being polite. Which to me is bunk because if you can't handle a person being rude you are a child. So don't come back acting like I ever said "do whatever the f*ck you want".
I can really tell how calm and non-whiny you are.
You are obsessively opposed to a very simple concept that's basically the norm everywhere else already. You can't go to a black church and start hurling racist insults, you can't go to a gay bar and start being openly homophobic without consequences. It's the same for safe spaces...
Originally posted by Bardock42
I can really tell how calm and non-whiny you are.
If that is whiny then you yourself have been whiny in several threads I've seen. So alrighty then.
You are obsessively opposed to a very simple concept that's basically the norm everywhere else already. You can't go to a back church and start hurling racist insults, you can't go to a gay bar and start being openly homophobic without consequences. It's the same for safe spaces...
Who said you should be able to do the things you are saying? Since as I've said multiple times, this was mostly about the "this is mostly about being polite" thing. Which yeah, I find to be bunk if you can't handle that.
That is a far cry from saying a person should be able to come up to you and confront you and fire off racial slurs. Since to me getting in someones face and hurling racial slurs is a far cry from merely being impolite.
Originally posted by Bardock42
That's beautifully said, but obviously nonsense. You only have limited time in your life and not everyone is worth educating.
Yes, you only have limited time in your life, which is why if you do not have the time to educate someone, then you do not have the time to be offended either.