Originally posted by NemeBro
The person in control of the designated "safe space", as gay as that fruity term is.You don't seem to be paying much attention to the thread.
Just wow. The point was to illustrate that what crosses a line for one person might not cross the line for others.
Then you come in here calling the term safe space "gay". Yet you still continue to insult others.
Originally posted by Bardock42
And what for designated spaces on a college campus? Like say a Spanish Club, a Glee Club, a Safe Space or the Student Newspaper?
Common sense should apply, so nope you can't go into the Spanish Club shouting about wetbacks and calling them all illegal immigrants and rapists. But as I said there shouldn't merely be certain places you can't behave that way. It should be everywhere in the school, the classroom, the library, etc.
I have no problem getting rid of someone who is specifically trying to f*ck with another person. But on the other hand if you aren't comfortable with the topic of abortion and I am near you and I begin discussing it..that doesn't mean I'm trying to f*ck with you.
Originally posted by NemeBro
The person in control of the designated "safe space", as gay as that fruity term is.You don't seem to be paying much attention to the thread.
What a wonderful idea those safe spaces are. 🙄
The person in charge of the designated safe space should not be arbitrarily designated control over public space. When people have control over space, it's called ownership and it's something they pay money for. They rightfully own the money, and then they use that to rightfully own the area, which they rightfully have control over.
People shouldn't just be given control of designated public spaces because of the feels or whatever. If you want a safe space, buy a ****ing house or apartment or something, you aren't entitled to a space you have control over.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
No one can make anyone feel anything. Our initial reaction may be to take offense, but we have to choose to be offended. One could just as easily choose to disregard what the other person is saying.
I don't subscribe to the belief that humans have full control of their emotions. I certainly do not, and I believe at the very least the vast majority of people do not.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
No professor should own their class. They're there to teach, not enforce political beliefs.
Professors are employed to teach their subject matter, to that end they have extensive control over their classes. If a professor believes that the best way to teach their subject is not to provide a platform for certain opinions that's perfectly reasonable.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Professors are employed to teach their subject matter, to that end they have extensive control over their classes. If a professor believes that the best way to teach their subject is not to provide a platform for certain opinions that's perfectly reasonable.
Well, they shouldn't have such extensive control, then. If a professor believes that censoring certain opinions is the best way to teach, then that should require extensive investigation and approval by the uni/college itself or even the board of education. There's nothing reasonable in appropriating public spaces and turning them into hugboxes.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Well, they shouldn't have such extensive control, then. If a professor believes that censoring certain opinions is the best way to teach, then that should require extensive investigation and approval by the uni/college itself or even the board of education. There's nothing reasonable in appropriating public spaces and turning them into hugboxes.
So, you are in this Medicine class, and this one kid, he won't shut up about phrenology, like he loves that stuff, thinks it gets a bad rap, he probably talks about it like 15 minutes each class, but then what can you do, professors shouldn't have that control, free speech and all that. And tbh those people who want to learn actual sciences are just babies that want hugboxes.
Originally posted by Bardock42
So, you are in this Medicine class, and this one kid, he won't shut up about phrenology, like he loves that stuff, thinks it gets a bad rap, he probably talks about it like 15 minutes each class, but then what can you do, professors shouldn't have that control, free speech and all that. And tbh those people who want to learn actual sciences are just babies that want hugboxes.
Provided he's not being disruptive, that's totally his right. Like it or not, plenty of doctors and other men/women of science hold unconventional beliefs. Now, if he decides to defend his thesis on phrenology, then he would almost certainly be failed and he would have that coming.
EDIT: The rest of the class and professor should of course have the right to tell him he's full of shit.
EDIT 2: Come to think of it, ranting for 15 minutes in the middle of class about anything would almost certainly be considered disruptive.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Provided he's not being disruptive, that's totally his right. Like it or not, plenty of doctors and other men/women of science hold unconventional beliefs. Now, if he decides to defend his thesis on phrenology, then he would almost certainly be failed and he would have that coming.EDIT: The rest of the class and professor should of course have the right to tell him he's full of shit.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
But self important students are entitled to safe spaces?
Are they necessarily entitled to them? No, I would not say so. Is it a small, and perfectly reasonable thing to provide to a large enough group, which does not negatively impact the education of any of the other students? Yes...yes it is.
Originally posted by Bardock42
No, I'm sorry, it's just not. Classes do not get dominated by self-important students and their pet issues. They get led by the professor that has been employed for just that reason. The other students in this class pay a lot of money to receive education by the teaching staff, not fellow students that feel entitled to hijack the conversation.
Yeah, I made a second edit saying that going on 15 minute rants in the middle of class would be considered disruptive.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Yeah, I made a second edit saying that going on 15 minute rants in the middle of class would be considered disruptive.
Well, and so might be continuing to address someone as "he" when they are a transgender woman, so might be making racist remarks or spouting racist theories, so might be talking unnecessarily about rape or blaming the victims of rape...and that's in the estimation of the professor to decide. For example some may think that a 15 minute discussion each class on phrenology is beneficial and they will tolerate it...most probably won't.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, and so might be continuing to address someone as "he" when they are a transgender woman, so might be making racist remarks or spouting racist theories, so might be talking unnecessarily about rape or blaming the victims of rape...and that's in the estimation of the professor to decide. For example some may think that a 15 minute discussion each class on phrenology is beneficial and they will tolerate it...most probably won't.
Hurting somebody's feelings isn't the same as being disruptive. If somebody expresses an opinion that's not in-line with the beliefs of the professor(which nowadays seem to be quite on the left) or the rest of the class, they shouldn't be silenced for it. That's not right.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Hurting somebody's feelings isn't the same as being disruptive. If somebody expresses an opinion that's not in-line with the beliefs of the professor(which nowadays seem to be quite on the left) or the rest of the class, they shouldn't be silenced for it. That's not right.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Are they necessarily entitled to them? No, I would not say so. Is it a small, and perfectly reasonable thing to provide to a large enough group, which does not negatively impact the education of any of the other students? Yes...yes it is.