Safe Spaces

Originally posted by Emperordmb
And I believe escapism via censorship is not a healthy thing to promote to the masses. Promoting escapism via censorship promotes more of a divide between people, and promotes more hypersensitivity. So no I do not believe it's a good thing, and if people aren't entitled to a space under their control they shouldn't get a space under their control.

It's not escapism though (at least in no more a sever way than going to the movies is escapism), the very fact that the people have considered which things they want to avoid show that they have engaged with the topic. Wanting a relief from the exposure for some time is perfectly understandable, and has happened in many places for centuries if not longer. People like to not have to deal with shit they don't want to deal with (especially if they have to deal with it constantly already) and will therefore take their time out, whether that is to go to a gentleman's club, or a gay bar, or a hot spring or a party meeting or a concert or whatever and there's nothing negative about that.

People get things they aren't entitled to all the time. Like Glee Clubs, Spanish Clubs, etc...

It's just for me if I was in a public place and someone was discussing a topic that made me feel genuinely uncomfortable then I'd just leave. That to me is how you handle it. Leave or go sit somewhere else. Not every single person is going to be discussing things that offend you.

If someone came to harass me then I'd do something about it.

Originally posted by Surtur
It's just for me if I was in a public place and someone was discussing a topic that made me feel genuinely uncomfortable then I'd just leave. That to me is how you handle it. Leave or go sit somewhere else. Not every single person is going to be discussing things that offend you.

If someone came to harass me then I'd do something about it.

And what's so bad about having a place where you can go where this kind of topic is not tolerated?

Originally posted by Bardock42
And what's so bad about having a place where you can go where this kind of topic is not tolerated?

As opposed to just going somewhere the topic merely isn't being discussed?

Originally posted by Surtur
As opposed to just going somewhere the topic merely isn't being discussed?

Yes. What is so bad about that?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes. What is so bad about that?

It just seems like the easier solution would just be to go elsewhere. Especially if you are talking about on a college campus there should be a variety of places, not all of which will be full of people discussing whatever you want to avoid.

Originally posted by Surtur
It just seems like the easier solution would just be to go elsewhere. Especially if you are talking about on a college campus there should be a variety of places, not all of which will be full of people discussing whatever you want to avoid.

Yeah, and that's the usual solution, but you know, sometimes you want to go where everybody knows your name...and they are always glad you came....

I think that's just natural, and not a big deal, which is why I am for safe spaces. Why are you against them again?

Originally posted by Bardock42
And what's so bad about having a place where you can go where this kind of topic is not tolerated?

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Absolutely nothing so long as these venues are privately owned and not appropriated from public spaces.

Again, how do you feel about other clubs getting "public" spaces on campuses for their own use?

Safe spaces can be fine if done in small establishments that are privately owned or homes or places like that.

Making safe places something institutionalized that becomes the norm for public places and govt agencies or even large corporations is where I see a bigger threat.

If you want to be around people you know and are friends with then why not ask them, as a friend, just not to discuss that? Since otherwise why would you want to be around disrespectful people who know you don't like it and do it anyways?

I disagree with them because I feel you don't need a special zone where people can't be openly hostile and aggressive towards each other. I think that should be anywhere you are in public. So to me this would indeed boil down to a place where..I don't even know what to call it. I want to say a place where you just can't be impolite, but if you are uncomfortable with a topic and I have no idea who you are then it's not impolite of me to discuss something I don't even know you have a problem with, right?

I realize you will ask where I draw the line when it comes to hostile and aggressive behavior, and I can't give you an exact answer, but I do feel it would at least have to include a specific confrontation. If you're uncomfortable with topic A and I am discussing it where you happen to be nearby...that is not me attacking you. It is not me being hostile to you or even rude, right? I am in essence not doing anything wrong, but you would want me to not be allowed to be there because of that.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Again, how do you feel about other clubs getting "public" spaces on campuses for their own use?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Nancy and Stephanie are not victims in these scenarios, they are participants.

If they do not advocate for themselves, then they are tacitly accepting these situations.

If they do not care enough to say something, then why should anyone else be concerned?

Michelle and Hans need to be informed, not ostracized.

Creating spaces where they can be censored or asked to leave for expressing an uninformed or unpopular opinion does not accomplish anything.

It merely shifts the offense from one party to another and causes resentment all the way around.

But hey, Nancy and Stephanie get to be mollycoddled, and supported in their perpetual victimhood, so that's cool, right?

****ing amazing. I agree with you again. You even expressed it perfectly

At first I said "Jeeez, kids these days are turning into utter wimps..."

Then I thought about it and I realized that's probably what our parents said.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
At first I said "Jeeez, kids these days are turning into utter wimps..."

Then I thought about it and I realized that's probably what our parents said.

Each generation has had it easier then the previous one I would think. So I could see how saying that would have merit.

But I think this goes a step beyond that. Go watch the video of those Yale kids screaming at their professors at the top of their lungs over halloween costumes. We've now entered rather extreme territory with the way these kids behave. But wait why am I calling them kids? They are in college, they are supposed to be adults.

I agree about that. Kids these days take coddled to the next level.

But again, not saying it's a good thing, but I think as each generation arrives, it's just gonna get worse.

I wonder what the generation after them is going to do? Cry when they don't get their blankies?

Hm. "Safe Blankies!"

Which means it is up to someone to actually draw a line somewhere and say enough is enough. Where exactly the line needs to be drawn is probably debatable, but I think most would agree we need one. Well I'm off to kill some wookies in force unleashed.

That view of millennials is just not true. They had it harder than their parents (after their parents ****ed up the economy for them, lets not forget them dropping that ball), they are more civilly and politically engaged than previous generations, they are also being constantly attacked by the media for perceived shortcomings that just aren't in line with reality, far from being coddled they are one of the main targets of derision in public discourse.

The narrative that they are more coddled or have it easier just isn't true, they are however engaged and fight for their rights, and obviously that's always an issue for the status quo, the generation that is losing power as it ages and dies and their antiquated views die with them.

Nobody forces them to be more politically engaged, so that's not something that was just dropped on them. If that is a burden then the kids chose it.

Please don't act like some of these kids don't have it way way easier then their parents. If they didn't act like spoiled little shits at times then maybe the media wouldn't attack them.

If the media is saying something like "all millenials are lazy" and you are a millenial and you know you aren't lazy..why do you give a shit?

Originally posted by Bardock42
That view of millennials is just not true. They had it harder than their parents (after their parents ****ed up the economy for them, lets not forget them dropping that ball), they are more civilly and politically engaged than previous generations, they are also being constantly attacked by the media for perceived shortcomings that just aren't in line with reality, far from being coddled they are one of the main targets of derision in public discourse.

The narrative that they are more coddled or have it easier just isn't true, they are however engaged and fight for their rights, and obviously that's always an issue for the status quo, the generation that is losing power as it ages and dies and their antiquated views die with them.