THE SILVER SURFER -VS- THE JLA

Started by darthgoober13 pages
darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
It's a perspective thing, I suppose.

When Wally runs fast, he is typically tapping the SF subconsciously. However, when he steals kinetic energy, for example, he has to consciously think about manipulating the SF in a very precise/complicated manner--he's applying it in a completely different way.

While I suppose both are *technically* forms of manipulation, it's still pretty easy to differentiate between them. It's essentially: "subconscious vs. conscious." Most would agree the latter is usually regarded as the 'truer' form of manipulation.

But again, it's all about perspective. /shrug


Oh no doubt, I'm not disputing that point in the least. Obviously consciously manipulating something is a much bigger thing than doing it subconsciously. My point with abhi has just been that he's manipulating it in some way to do everything he does therefor his real "power" is speedforce manipulation and super speed is just the primary use of that power. Super speed is the "easy" way to do it, speed stealing etc is the more difficult way to do it.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Yeah, this type of debate has come up in the past. I always like referring people to the "Dead Heat" arc from Flash. The whole SF-manipulation topic is covered pretty thoroughly there ala Savitar.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, this type of debate has come up in the past. I always like referring people to the "Dead Heat" arc from Flash. The whole SF-manipulation topic is covered pretty thoroughly there ala Savitar.

While I have your attention, would you say that Surfer's "primary power" is manipulating the Power Cosmic or firing energy blasts? Not that abhi will lend any more credit to your opinion than mine(unless you say energy blasts lol) but just for fun.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Every feat Surfer preforms is accomplished via manipulation of the PC on some level.

Galactus didn't just bestow him with energy blasts exclusively. He gave him the power cosmic.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
Every feat Surfer preforms is accomplished via manipulation of the PC on some level.

Galactus didn't bestow him exclusively with energy blasts. He gave him the power cosmic.


Thank you.

How have you been anyway?

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Busy AF, lol.

It's a good thing, I guess, but I have very little free time these days.

darthgoober Senior Member

What you been busy with? just work and such or do you have some kind of special project?

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

I teach EMT courses at the college on my days off. Between that, my regular job, and the family life, free time is scarce.

But like I said, it's a good type of busy at least. 😛

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
I teach EMT courses at the college on my days off. Between that, my regular job, and the family life, free time is scarce.

But like I said, it's a good type of busy at least. 😛


Damn... that is a full plate lol

Blue Area Vet Restricted

Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't care about what anybody believes about me. Not that I don't take others' opinions in consideration.

I'm not you.

Oh really? The topic is Surfer vs JLA after all.

His healing factor takes care of the damage. Otherwise it has actually killed kryptonians.

I don't agree to the rule. That doesn't means I'm going to cry about it like you.

And where is it proven wrong? Where did he use cosmic awareness to find icecream as you put it?

Energy blasts are different than physically destroying a moon.

😂

Its all a low showing.

Physically? Where?

Yes, he was. He was essentially leeching the powers of the characters just like Parasite does.

Any proof that he didn't? Why didn't surfer scanned it and found it out? I thought it was his go to move?

So a bluff?

😂

Gladiator didn't even said anything. Lilandra ordered him down.

So your years of arguing was over a bluff?

😂

You are arguing with the whole board again. 😂

Blue Area Vet Restricted

Originally posted by abhilegend
Get a room you two.

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😆 Feeling the heat of the error of your ways? Walls crashing down on you?

Blue Area Vet Restricted

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

A flurry of full strength punches from Superman will kill any Herald level being.

It's not like he needs to punch Surfer a hundred times to knock him out.

😂 😆 😂 Boy, you are outdoing yourself!! You ARE the train wreck and I can't stop watching.

Blue Area Vet Restricted
Originally posted by quanchi112
Goober really gets into your head.

So does Bran. Abby's looking around like "Is Bran around corner? Is it safe?"

Surfer is in his head.
Bran is in his head.

Bran debating Surfer:

No say pom poms!!

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
😂 😆 😂 Boy, you are outdoing yourself!! You ARE the train wreck and I can't stop watching.
😂

Blue Area Vet Restricted
Originally posted by quanchi112
😂
abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by darthgoober
A scan to prove that Flash's powers were rectonned lol

I have, you provided no reasoning whatsoever.

Sure it does. I've explained it thoroughly.

Sure it was, I provided the initial quote to prove it.

I haven't gone against anyone's powersets by saying that Strange/Fate use magic/cast spells or that Flash manipulates the Speedforce.

It was either or, not both.

But have in no way provided the reasoning which those comics provide to support your stance.

He does do more flying than blasting, he flies pretty much all the time while he's fighting.

Of course I am.

Feel free to show me otherwise.

Yes and from what you said you're wanting proof there are characters with versatile powersets rather than one "primary power"

Again, good for you.

I haven't spun anything abhi.

So you concede that Surfer's used versatility more than Supes has blitzed?

You're trying to twist things again abhi. You said...

I didn't say he used combat versatility in a very large number of appearances, but in a large number of FIGHTS. Again, Surfer doesn't always fight in the comics he pops up in.

And you made the comment about less than 5% first so... after you.

See above. I was responding to your comment about him using it in FIGHTS, not
appearances. It would be silly to try to include appearances where he never fought at all.

I demonstrated the rule which said ALL POWERS and listed Flash/speed as an EXAMPLE.

Don't worry, we'll get there if you ever quit dodging.

I posted the rule and it wasn't limited to speed.

I'm not afraid of it, I'm just not going to let you derail the topic of this conversation.

Again, I posted the rule and it wasn't limited to speed.

If Surfer using his versatility is established via forum rules and you go around claiming that he won't, then you're ignoring the rule.

That word fanboy again...

No that's exactly what the quote was in reference to.

So you've been getting your ass kicked in this discussion by someone who lacks a working brain...

Oh you didn't ask or anything, but you're obviously trying to get me to defend myself against the BS you're spewing.


So we've reached an impasse here. Who would have thought?

No need to repeat myself anymore.

Using energy blasts by Surfer against bricks is not using versatility. Simple as that. You could shout until you're blue but that wouldn't change the fact.

Unless you give a concrete number of times Surfer has used his versatility, this little debate is useless.

Blue Area Vet Restricted

Originally posted by abhilegend
So we've reached an impasse here. Who would have thought?

No need to repeat myself anymore.

Using energy blasts by Surfer against bricks is not using versatility. Simple as that. You could shout until you're blue but that wouldn't change the fact.

Unless you give a concrete number of times Surfer has used his versatility, this little debate is useless.

No, you simply ran into a brick wall you can't go through or around.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans
Originally posted by darthgoober
Obviously...

No shit Sherlock.

The thread topic sure, but it's not the overall topic of this particular conversation.

Well, you can argue about your little off topic conversation, I'm talking about the thread topic.

So he won't really be "crippled" now will he because his healing factor will prevent it.

While he has been bombarded by kryptonite, he will be.

You don't have to agree to the rule abhi, it still applies. Even in your debates...

No, it doesn't. I only go by what's in the comics.

One of his more recent issues with Dawn.

He used it to cure them of a virus. Not exactly an offensive move.

If that was the only way for him to destroy the moon then it was obviously a low showing.

He was mindless. Now you're changing the subject about why it's a low showing.

In this case obviously.

Not really.

If he NEEDED to to it that way then it was obviously a low showing.

He needed to create a diversion. He lost his mind and thus physically destroyed it.

That's not a low showing unless you show me Surfer physically destroying a moon.

Destroying a moon is never a low showing.

Stop trying to turn him into Parasite, any proof THIS GUY absorbed weaknesses?

Why would we try to change him into something which he already was? Why didn't Surfer use his cosmic awareness to find out? I thought that was his default move.

Nope.

Yes.

You're the only one thinking it was a bluff, and we all know the only reason you think that is because of your hatred of Surfer.

I think it's a bluff because Surfer in his entire history has never done anything like it.

See his fight with Dr. Spectrum whose weakness is ultraviolet radiation. Even more common than Gladiator and common knowledge too.

Did Surfer use his cosmic awareness to find the weakness? Not even remotely.

Just like Early hulk who had a weakness to gamma rays which would turn him into banner.

One bluff and it's the go to move against Superman?

😂

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Galan007
Every feat Surfer preforms is accomplished via manipulation of the PC on some level.

Galactus didn't just bestow him with energy blasts exclusively. He gave him the power cosmic.


That's not even in dispute. It's the disingenuous "Surfer uses PC manipulation as power so everything he does in a fight from flying to blasting is versatility."

😂

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
No, you simply ran into a brick wall you can't go through or around.

Yes, Darth is a brick wall. Excellent analogy.

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Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not even in dispute. It's the disingenuous "Surfer uses PC manipulation as power so everything he does in a fight from flying to blasting is versatility."
I honestly don't even know what you guys were arguing about. goob asked a question, so I answered it.

My response was certainly not directed at you in the slightest.