Originally posted by darthgoober
No offense, but I don't believe you. After all you've said talking about a blitz is something you RARELY do which means it happens sometimes.
You can believe whatever you want. It's not my concern.
You mean the board that moved according to Surfer's will that he has access on the forum?
And by which Surfer doesn't gets reflexes to counter a blitz. He can fly fast on the board, that's it.
There is proof, him using OTHER forms of radiation and energy.
So? Does he ever used it for crippling a character? After sensing weaknesses in them?
Stop trying to change the subject with a bio...
You are welcome to prove it wrong by posting a scan where CA is used to sense weakness in a character.
He's messed with solar energy and radiation before man...
So has Superman. Heck he absorbed the power of an entire anti sun before. Which cancels his powers.
Surfer got overloaded on a small portion of sun's power.
You mean Krosakis with Gladiators powers PLUS the Uni force? Why would it work against a universal force that grants energy manipulation? For that matter, he took Glad's powers, there's not proof that he took on Glad's physiology.
Glad's powers are not biological. He has them bioengineered.
And why wouldn't he? And why didn't Surfer even try to produce the radiation? I thought it was his go to move.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No it isn't. Unless you think last four decades ate just meaningless.And find me a single comic where his power is stated to be speed force manipulation.
Yeah, a recton changes what has already been established. Do you know what recton stands for? Retroactive Continuity. Do you know what retroactive mean? If not here you go...
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/retroactive
Originally posted by abhilegend
Only in your mind then.
Nope they're applicable.
Originally posted by abhilegend
It isn't. You're welcome to prove it.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, it isn't. Just because you think it is doesn't makes it ridiculous.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Now that's ridiculous.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope. Not in the least.
Of course it is.
Originally posted by abhilegend
😂So flying is his primary power? He is going to fly at Superman now?
He might, or fly around him/keep his distance, whatever.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Cap doesn't has a single defining power. He isn't even supposed to have powers. He is the pinnacle of human evolution.
And Supes is the same way, only to the Nth degree.
Originally posted by abhilegend
In this case, it's simply a concession.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Or the guy who has only flight isn't versatile.
If the first guy uses his blasts regularly and he uses it on the second guy, he isn't using his versatility. He is using his primary power and that's it. [/B][/QUOTE]
Or the guy who can do both is more versatile by comparison... see how easy that is.
No he's using his superior versatility.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Well, you're looking like a chicken right now.You did not claim that Surfer uses versatility in a large number of appearances?
Now you're lying as well? Good to know.
Only in your eyes abhi
Yeah I said that, after you said he uses it less than 5% of the time. Which means the onus is on you to try to prove your stance and will shift to me after you've done so.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, it does. Unless it was changed.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Where was that even stated by a mod?Where is it stated?
You're just parroting now. Where is the proof? A mod ruling?
I'n not searching through mod posts looking for one specific ruling. If you doubt me ask pr or Bada if they've ruled that speedblitzing is a valid tactic in a forum fight. Not right out of the gate necessarily, but if it seems like he needs to.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Whine to a mod then. Not to me.
I'm not whining, I'm having a discussion about whether or not the rule applies to Surfer.
Originally posted by abhilegend
😂
Originally posted by abhilegend
I clarified my stance pretty clearly. It's not up to you to decide what I said.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Again mindless parroting.
Hey you ask/say the same thing, I give the same response lol
Originally posted by abhilegend
And your recognized MO is whining about everything when you don't get everything your way and then running off for years saying how you're victimized.Look at a mirror before talking.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You can believe whatever you want. It's not my concern.
Good for you abhi 👆
Originally posted by abhilegend
And by which Surfer doesn't gets reflexes to counter a blitz. He can fly fast on the board, that's it.
That's a completely different discussion, we're getting sidetracked again.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So? Does he ever used it for crippling a character? After sensing weaknesses in them?
"Crippling" is a bit of a strong word don't you think lol. And Supes's weaknesses are pretty much common knowledge. Lois was writing about him extensively for years, news cameras go to any fight of his they have time to get to, etc.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You are welcome to prove it wrong by posting a scan where CA is used to sense weakness in a character.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So has Superman. Heck he absorbed the power of an entire anti sun before. Which cancels his powers.Surfer got overloaded on a small portion of sun's power.
Surfer can draw a LOT of power from a sun. When him and Moondragon were working together he said that drawing power from a sun gave them a near infinite amount of energy to work with.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Glad's powers are not biological. He has them bioengineered.And why wouldn't he? And why didn't Surfer even try to produce the radiation? I thought it was his go to move.
There's still no reason to think the weakness transferred.
Why would he try it if there was no reason to think that the weakness carried over? But when regular Glads was ready to step up Surfer made it clear just how he'd be put down.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah, a recton changes what has already been established. Do you know what recton stands for? Retroactive Continuity. Do you know what retroactive mean? If not here you go...
Yes, its their power source for all the time. He wasn't able to manipulate it though.
Nope they're applicable.
Nope, they are not.
EVERYTHING absorbs light abhi, that's why we see colors. And absorbing sunlight is why humans get tan/sunburn.
Are you seriously comparing humans absorbing sunlight to Superman absorbing sunlight?
You said I only apply it to Surfer when I've specifically applied it to Strange, Fate, and Flash.
You are twisting their power description to suit your own agenda.
Show me a scan of Flash's power as speed-force manipulation. Until then, you are simply posting meaningless words.
He's Silver and goes everywhere on a surfboard... sounds pretty descriptive to me.
No shit sherlock.
Of course it is.
Nope.
He might, or fly around him/keep his distance, whatever.
If only Superman wasn't at last as fast as him in that regard as well.
And Supes is the same way, only to the Nth degree.
You are still parroting?
No it's me recognizing that there's just no getting through to you about it.
I don't give a shit about your BS logic.
That's just it.
Or the guy who can do both is more versatile by comparison... see how easy that is.
Not if that's his primary power.
No he's using his superior versatility.
Nope.
Only in your eyes abhi
Nobody else matters at this point.
Yeah I said that, after you said he uses it less than 5% of the time. Which means the onus is on you to try to prove your stance and will shift to me after you've done so.
And you said he uses it in a large amount of time. So prove it.
What I said to Celey is applied to that conversation. If Celey is going to accept it, I will do so.
Are you saying that it needs to be changed or only apples to speed?
I didn't say anything about it. I don't agree with it if you don't remember.
I'n not searching through mod posts looking for one specific ruling. If you doubt me ask pr or Bada if they've ruled that speedblitzing is a valid tactic in a forum fight.
That doesn't gives a free pass for anything related to surfer.
Not right out of the gate necessarily, but if it seems like he needs to.
With which I disagree.
I'm not whining, I'm having a discussion about whether or not the rule applies to Surfer.
Looks to me like whining.
Well it has been. I don't read comics all that frequently anymore.
I wonder why?
It IS what you said. You did clarify, but you did say you could produce more than celey first and he specifically said blitz.
Than you should read again what I said.
Hey you ask/say the same thing, I give the same response lol
😂
I'm not trying to imitate a damn parrot at this point.
Nice bait attempt, but I'm not falling for it. See I'm not allowed to actually discuss the stuff publicly here on KMC without getting into trouble. Those who're actually aware of the situation understand my absences.
Oh I understand it just fine.
You are just a chicken.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Good for you abhi 👆
Eh, its all about you. Why is it good for me all of a sudden?
That's a completely different discussion, we're getting sidetracked again.
No, it isn't. You want to discuss speed,here we are.
"Crippling" is a bit of a strong word don't you think lol.
Kryptonite does exactly that.
And Supes's weaknesses are pretty much common knowledge. Lois was writing about him extensively for years, news cameras go to any fight of his they have time to get to, etc.
That's a big fat lie.
Its explicitly stated that Kryptonite isn't common knowledge.
I don't have to post that to prove it wrong. It says it only senses energy patterns right? Surfer used it to find Dawn the best tasting icecream in the universe.
So? He used his cosmic senses. Not exactly the weakness exploitation, is it?
Surfer can draw a LOT of power from a sun. When him and Moondragon were working together he said that drawing power from a sun gave them a near infinite amount of energy to work with.
Pretty much a hyperbole. We know he was overloaded and actually died from absorbing just a small portion of the sun and blowing up a moon.
There's still no reason to think the weakness transferred.
And why would that be?
Why would he try it if there was no reason to think that the weakness carried over? But when regular Glads was ready to step up Surfer made it clear just how he'd be put down.
Why wouldn't he? Krosakis flat out said he had Gladiator's powers.
Empty words. All he said is that he knows there is a radiation weakness and he knows about it.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, its their power source for all the time. He wasn't able to manipulate it though.
He was manipulating it, he was just limiting it to basic speed.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope, they are not.
Any particular reason why or are you just going to plug your ears and yell "No that's different"?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you seriously comparing humans absorbing sunlight to Superman absorbing sunlight?
Absorbing sunlight sure, the ability to METABOLIZE the sunlight is where the difference really arises. I said that pretty much right off.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Also, absorbing sunlight... not a super power. Regular human's absorb solar energy all the time, it's how we get sun tans. Basically everything but mirrored surfaces absorbs solar energy. I think what you meant to say was "metabolizing solar energy". And if I was taking that route I would have said Surfer's power was absorbing cosmic energy. But I didn't say that, I said his primary power channeling the Power Cosmic, because lot's of other characters absorb cosmic energy as well but not all those characters manipulate the Power Cosmic.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You are twisting their power description to suit your own agenda.Show me a scan of Flash's power as speed-force manipulation. Until then, you are simply posting meaningless words.
You're changing the subject abhi, we're discussing that elsewhere already(a couple of quotes above). Here we were talking about how ridiculous it is for you to say I have one standard for Surfer and a different standard for every other character when I've applied the same standard to at least 3 other characters.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No shit sherlock.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope.
Yet more flat denial with no supporting reasoning?
Originally posted by abhilegend
If only Superman wasn't at last as fast as him in that regard as well.
And now even more subject changing. We were talking about whether Surfer would fly more or blast more because that seems to be your method of determining what a characters "primary power" is.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You are still parroting?
No I'm explaining and you've still got your fingers in your ears.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't give a shit about your BS logic.That's just it.
Or ANY logic for that matter...
Originally posted by abhilegend
Not if that's his primary power.Nope.
You seem to think all characters have a primary power abhi, they don't.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nobody else matters at this point.
So now it's all about YOU then 😆
Originally posted by abhilegend
And you said he uses it in a large amount of time. So prove it.What I said to Celey is applied to that conversation. If Celey is going to accept it, I will do so.
Why limit it to Celey? Are you confident that you could win the convo with him but not me? I never knew you had such a high opinion of me 😄
I do wonder though, what would you consider a "large amount of time" in regards to Surfer. Like how many fights do you think would be needed to surpass the 5% mark in your eyes?
Originally posted by abhilegend
I didn't say anything about it. I don't agree with it if you don't remember.
Yes you did. I said...
Originally posted by darthgoober
The rule doesn't need to be changed, I actually don't disagree with it. But just because it lists speed as the example doesn't mean it only applies to speed.
Then you responded...
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, it does. Unless it was changed.
So I asked...
Originally posted by darthgoober
Are you saying that it needs to be changed or only apples to speed?
... and here we are.
So which were you saying, that it needs to be changed or applies only to speed?
Originally posted by abhilegend
That doesn't gives a free pass for anything related to surfer.
So you are saying that it only applies to speed?
Originally posted by abhilegend
With which I disagree.
Disagree all you want.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Looks to me like whining.
That's because the hatred in you strong... 😉
Originally posted by abhilegend
I wonder why?
Well most of the more recent stuff to come out is kinda crappy and my external hard drive where I kept all my old issues burned up a long time ago. Not sure how any of that is relevant to the discussion though.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Than you should read again what I said.
I've ready it plenty
Originally posted by abhilegend
😂I'm not trying to imitate a damn parrot at this point.
Sure you are, only your parrot mostly just says thing like "No" or "Nope".
Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh I understand it just fine.You are just a chicken.
Good... Good... Let the hate make you strong...
Originally posted by abhilegend
Eh, its all about you. Why is it good for me all of a sudden?
Because you've risen above the beliefs of others.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, it isn't. You want to discuss speed,here we are.
No abhi, you're the one who started bringing up old arguments that have nothing to do with what we're currently discussing. You should check your blood suger cause you seem to be having a really hard time keeping things strait in your head this round.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Kryptonite does exactly that.
No it doesn't. It hurts/weakens him, but it's not like blasting him with k-nite will forever rob him of his ability to see or move his legs/arms/etc
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's a big fat lie.Its explicitly stated that Kryptonite isn't common knowledge.
Forum rules dictate otherwise. One writer ignoring common sense doesn't change that. I mean one of his villains it Kryptonite man for God's sake.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So? He used his cosmic senses. Not exactly the weakness exploitation, is it?
It still renders your bio unusable since it flat out goes against on panel showings.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Pretty much a hyperbole. We know he was overloaded and actually died from absorbing just a small portion of the sun and blowing up a moon.
I'm fairly sure it wasn't a moon and was actually the Goddess's orbital satellite. They were the size of a moon and heavily armored/armed. That would mean he basically blew up a Death Star minus the planet killing beam. And one low showing doesn't outweigh a history that includes destroying planets and surviving the blast unscathed.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And why would that be?
Because it wasn't insinuated in the slightest.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Why wouldn't he? Krosakis flat out said he had Gladiator's powers.Empty words. All he said is that he knows there is a radiation weakness and he knows about it.
Did he say he had Glads powers and weaknesses?
No he said that he could put Gladz down easily with a finely tuned blast of radiation, and given his powerset and history there's no reason whatsoever to doubt him.
Originally posted by darthgoober
He was manipulating it, he was just limiting it to basic speed.
Ergo, he wasn't manipulating speed force. Glad we agree.
Any particular reason why or are you just going to plug your ears and yell "No that's different"?
Any particular reason you're just throwing around meaningless drivel without any proof?
Absorbing sunlight sure, the ability to METABOLIZE the sunlight is where the difference really arises. I said that pretty much right off.
So what? Plants metabolize sunlight. Are we going to see a plant shooting lasers out of his eyes now?
You're changing the subject abhi, we're discussing that elsewhere already(a couple of quotes above). Here we were talking about how ridiculous it is for you to say I have one standard for Surfer and a different standard for every other character when I've applied the same standard to at least 3 other characters.
Yes, you are changing the very definition of characters' power to suit your agenda.
That's not how it works.
If it's that obvious to you why did you ask me to prove that his name is descriptive
Are you really this daft to be oblivious to such a sarcastic comment?
Yet more flat denial with no supporting reasoning?
I've got to prove a negative now, eh?
And now even more subject changing. We were talking about whether Surfer would fly more or blast more because that seems to be your method of determining what a characters "primary power" is.
And your answer is he would fly. Which is simply absurd.
No I'm explaining and you've still got your fingers in your ears.
😂
Oh you. Sell that shit to someone naive enough to believe you.
Or ANY logic for that matter...
Damn parroting. Gets you every time.
You seem to think all characters have a primary power abhi, they don't.
Yes, they do.
So now it's all about YOU then
Well, is certainly isn't about you.
Why limit it to Celey? Are you confident that you could win the convo with him but not me? I never knew you had such a high opinion of me
Because I don't trust you enough to that degree. As inane celey is, he doesn't appeals to judges to ignore his opponents' arguments entirely because "Hey, Its me."
I do wonder though, what would you consider a "large amount of time" in regards to Surfer. Like how many fights do you think would be needed to surpass the 5% mark in your eyes?
You think there is anything regarding Surfer that I've not read? But I'll humor you, how many you can produce?
Yes you did. I said...Then you responded...
So I asked...
... and here we are.
So which were you saying, that it needs to be changed or applies only to speed?
I said it only applies to the speed as it has been specifically mentioned. Its not my place to modify it.
So you are saying that it only applies to speed?
Yes, like I said earlier.
Disagree all you want.
And what would be result of me disagreeing?
That's because the hatred in you strong... 😉
I don't hate anybody here.
Well most of the more recent stuff to come out is kinda crappy and my external hard drive where I kept all my old issues burned up a long time ago. Not sure how any of that is relevant to the discussion though.
Excuses, excuses.
I've ready it plenty
Eh?
Sure you are, only your parrot mostly just says thing like "No" or "Nope".
That's you. You make a damn fine parrot.
Good... Good... Let the hate make you strong...
Can you get any more cliched?
Originally posted by darthgoober
Because you've risen above the beliefs of others.
And who are these others? Your fellow surfer fans I presume?
No abhi, you're the one who started bringing up old arguments that have nothing to do with what we're currently discussing. You should check your blood suger cause you seem to be having a really hard time keeping things strait in your head this round.
What? Don't want the actually stupid arguments you used to spout resurfaced?
Fat chance of that happening.
No it doesn't. It hurts/weakens him, but it's not like blasting him with k-nite will forever rob him of his ability to see or move his legs/arms/etc
Well, you really don't know anything about Superman it seems.
Forum rules dictate otherwise. One writer ignoring common sense doesn't change that. I mean one of his villains it Kryptonite man for God's sake.
Like I said, I don't agree with some of the rules here. I would like to see the scan where its stated that kryptonite is common knowledge though.
It still renders your bio unusable since it flat out goes against on panel showings.
About what? Where is his cosmic awareness shown or hinted in that comic?
I'm fairly sure it wasn't a moon and was actually the Goddess's orbital satellite.
It was the moon of Paradise Omega.
They were the size of a moon and heavily armored/armed. That would mean he basically blew up a Death Star minus the planet killing beam. And one low showing doesn't outweigh a history that includes destroying planets and surviving the blast unscathed.
He survives his own blasts? How impressive.
But hey, everything which doesn't shows Surfer in a good light is a low showing.
Because it wasn't insinuated in the slightest.
Absence of proof isn't proof of absence.
Did he say he had Glads powers and weaknesses?
Yes, its not like he was just having his powers and none of his weaknesses.
That's not how it works.
No he said that he could put Gladz down easily with a finely tuned blast of radiation, and given his powerset and history there's no reason whatsoever to doubt him.
So where exactly has he done so? If there is nothing to doubt him, he must have done so somewhere? Right?
I'll be waiting for that scan.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Ergo, he wasn't manipulating speed force. Glad we agree.
He was manipulating it, he just limited his manipulation to super speed.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Any particular reason you're just throwing around meaningless drivel without any proof?
I've given my reasoning, all you've done is basically say "no that's different".
Originally posted by abhilegend
So what? Plants metabolize sunlight. Are we going to see a plant shooting lasers out of his eyes now?
Plants don't have it to the degree Supes does silly.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, you are changing the very definition of characters' power to suit your agenda.That's not how it works.
You're trying to change the subject again, in this line of quotes we were discussing how ridiculous it is for you to say that I apply one standard to Surfer and a different one to everyone else because I've applied the standard to multiple characters.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you really this daft to be oblivious to such a sarcastic comment?
Well with you it's really not so obvious...
Originally posted by abhilegend
I've got to prove a negative now, eh?
I'm not asking you to prove a negative. I'm asking for your reasoning in saying "Nope".
Originally posted by abhilegend
And your answer is he would fly. Which is simply absurd.
My answer was that he would fly MORE, because that's how you seem to define "primary power".
Originally posted by abhilegend
😂Oh you. Sell that shit to someone naive enough to believe you.
Anyone actually to follow our conversation can see it. I don't have to "sell it".
Originally posted by abhilegend
Damn parroting. Gets you every time.
That's the first time I've said anything about your lack of logic 😆
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, they do.
No they don't. Characters with an open ended powerset may have primarily uses for their versatile powerset, but that's different than having a "primary power"
Originally posted by abhilegend
Well, is certainly isn't about you.
Oh I think a whole lot of this is about me. You're hatred of me was immediately spotted by others right off and as you make clear below, you're approach and reasoning is much different with me than it would be with Celey. That's actually beside the point though, I was addressing that the only thing that matters is how YOU view things.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Because I don't trust you enough to that degree. As inane celey is, he doesn't appeals to judges to ignore his opponents' arguments entirely because "Hey, Its me."
No one's been talking about a full on BZ with judges and such, that's never been said. We can do the comparison right here in this thread.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You think there is anything regarding Surfer that I've not read? But I'll humor you, how many you can produce?
How many would it take? Again, you have a rep for trying to move the goal posts. How many would it take to qualify as "a large amount"? For that matter how many would it take JUST to exceed the less than 5% cap that you attributed to him?
Originally posted by abhilegend
I said it only applies to the speed as it has been specifically mentioned. Its not my place to modify it.
The rule don't need modification, it applies to more than just speed. Speed is just the example given.
Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.
That means they don't have to mention Surfer specifically.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, like I said earlier.
You were wrong then too.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And what would be result of me disagreeing?
Just that you disagree. You don't have to agree, but it doesn't change the facts.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't hate anybody here.
Sure you do, you ain't gotta lie to kick it...
Originally posted by abhilegend
Excuses, excuses.
You act as if I NEED an excuse to have stopped reading comics 😂
Originally posted by abhilegend
Eh?
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's you. You make a damn fine parrot.
I think you've made the accusation of my being a parrot enough to qualify as parroting 😂
Originally posted by abhilegend
Can you get any more cliched?
As though such blatant bait attempts warrant anything more than a cliche
Originally posted by abhilegend
And who are these others? Your fellow surfer fans I presume?
No in this particular case it would just be me. I said I don't believe you, you said you didn't care, and I said good for you.
Originally posted by abhilegend
What? Don't want the actually stupid arguments you used to spout resurfaced?Fat chance of that happening.
No, just don't want this discussion sidetracked.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Well, you really don't know anything about Superman it seems.
I know he's been hit by K-nite plenty, and still isn't crippled by it.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Like I said, I don't agree with some of the rules here. I would like to see the scan where its stated that kryptonite is common knowledge though.
Basic Knowledge
Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows. For example, that Superman has a weakness to Kryptonite is general knowledge, but that he's Clark Kent is not.
Originally posted by abhilegend
About what? Where is his cosmic awareness shown or hinted in that comic?
The whole cosmic senses thing.
Originally posted by abhilegend
It was the moon of Paradise Omega.
I don't think so, but I guess you may be right for once. Still doesn't change the fact that it was at best, a low showing.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He survives his own blasts? How impressive.
Originally posted by abhilegend
But hey, everything which doesn't shows Surfer in a good light is a low showing.
No things that go against other showings are low showings.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Absence of proof isn't proof of absence.
And zero proof that his weakness was transferred is zero proof that his weakness was transferred.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, its not like he was just having his powers and none of his weaknesses.That's not how it works.
He did say that he had his weaknesses... scan please.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So where exactly has he done so? If there is nothing to doubt him, he must have done so somewhere? Right?I'll be waiting for that scan.
They didn't fight, so it wasn't relevant silly.
Originally posted by darthgoober
He was manipulating it, he just limited his manipulation to super speed.
Nope, point me to the scan where he manipulated Speed force before it was even a concept.
I've given my reasoning, all you've done is basically say "no that's different".
Well, you have given your reasoning without any proof. So do I take your word on it? GTFO.
Plants don't have it to the degree Supes does silly.
So the answer is degree but you think plants have the superpowers of metabolizing sunlight?
You're trying to change the subject again, in this line of quotes we were discussing how ridiculous it is for you to say that I apply one standard to Surfer and a different one to everyone else because I've applied the standard to multiple characters.
No, the subject is you distorting the established power sets of the characters to suit your agenda.
Which is transparent BTW.
Well with you it's really not so obvious...
"No you".
You got reduced to that? Damn.
I'm not asking you to prove a negative. I'm asking for your reasoning in saying "Nope".
Yes, you are.
Find it in your question. I hope you can read.
My answer was that he would fly MORE, because that's how you seem to define "primary power".
No, you seem to think flying is something characters do in combat as an offensive move.
Which is absurd. But its you so!
Anyone actually to follow our conversation can see it. I don't have to "sell it".
Ah, the popularity fallacy. Never gets old.
That's the first time I've said anything about your lack of logic
You are using it several times in a single post.
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No they don't. Characters with an open ended powerset may have primarily uses for their versatile powerset, but that's different than having a "primary power"
Still parroting, I see. Any actual example of this rather than your "opinions"?
Oh I think a whole lot of this is about me.
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Dat ego!
You're hatred of me was immediately spotted by others right off and as you make clear below, you're approach and reasoning is much different with me than it would be with Celey.
Hatred?
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No, no. Again.
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That was a good one.
That's actually beside the point though, I was addressing that the only thing that matters is how YOU view things.
Well, of course it does. Just like you think how only your opinion matters and run away when you don't get what you want.
No one's been talking about a full on BZ with judges and such, that's never been said. We can do the comparison right here in this thread.
Sure, go ahead with your examples. I will match them as per my rules.
How many would it take?
How many you can produce?
Again, you have a rep for trying to move the goal posts. How many would it take to qualify as "a large amount"? For that matter how many would it take JUST to exceed the less than 5% cap that you attributed to him?
You don't know how many issues Surfer has appeared in? For shame.
Use a calculator silly sally.
The rule don't need modification, it applies to more than just speed. Speed is just the example given.
Go cry to a mod then. I didn't create it.
Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any [B]powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.
In character. For example: Surfer wouldn't use matter manipulation on living beings as he abhors it and is a pacifist by nature.
That means they don't have to mention Surfer specifically.
We are using characters here. Not power sets. Does Surfer uses weakness exploitation in character? No he doesn't.
You were wrong then too.
No I wasn't.
Just that you disagree. You don't have to agree, but it doesn't change the facts.
Sure it doesn't. I don't throw a bitchfit about it.
Sure you do, you ain't gotta lie to kick it...
Nope. If I hated somebody over fictional characters, I wouldn't be here.
You act as if I NEED an excuse to have stopped reading comics 😂I read it plenty.
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Which to trust?
I think you've made the accusation of my being a parrot enough to qualify as parroting 😂
I tell as I see.
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As though such blatant bait attempts warrant anything more than a cliche [/B]
What baiting? The truth is truth.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And who are these others? Your fellow surfer fans I presume?What? Don't want the actually stupid arguments you used to spout resurfaced?
Fat chance of that happening.
Well, you really don't know anything about Superman it seems.
Like I said, I don't agree with some of the rules here. I would like to see the scan where its stated that kryptonite is common knowledge though.
About what? Where is his cosmic awareness shown or hinted in that comic?
It was the moon of Paradise Omega.
He survives his own blasts? How impressive.
But hey, everything which doesn't shows Surfer in a good light is a low showing.
Absence of proof isn't proof of absence.
Yes, its not like he was just having his powers and none of his weaknesses.
That's not how it works.
So where exactly has he done so? If there is nothing to doubt him, he must have done so somewhere? Right?
I'll be waiting for that scan.
LMAO!!! Are you serious? Gladiator has a radiation weakness, Surfer says he can put him down exploiting that weakness, and you question whether he can because there aren't scans of him doing so? Silver ****ing Surfer???
Originally posted by darthgoober
No in this particular case it would just be me. I said I don't believe you, you said you didn't care, and I said good for you.
And how exactly is that "rising above the beliefs"?
No, just don't want this discussion sidetracked.
That ship has long sailed.
I know he's been hit by K-nite plenty, and still isn't crippled by it.
Then you should read some more comics.
Basic Knowledge
Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows. For example, that Superman has a weakness to Kryptonite is general knowledge, but that he's Clark Kent is not.
Like I said, the rule is wrong since kryptonite is not common knowledge.
I would like you to prove otherwise.
The whole cosmic senses thing.
And how does that equates to sensing weaknesses? Green Lanterns can do that too.
I don't think so, but I guess you may be right for once. Still doesn't change the fact that it was at best, a low showing.
Why was it a low showing? Where has Surfer physically destroyed a moon and survived to make it a low showing? Low showing is this.
Funnily enough, just one issue prior to Surfer fighting in a black hole. A ship>black hole?
The blast from the Infinity Crusade WAS his blast.
No, it was him colliding with the moon at that speed which killed him.
No things that go against other showings are low showings.
Like what showings?
And zero proof that his weakness was transferred is zero proof that his weakness was transferred.
His powers got transferred means his weaknesses get transferred too. Think Parasite.
He did say that he had his weaknesses... scan please.
That he knows the weakness. Big deal, ransom skrulls know about it too.
Where did he used it?
They didn't fight, so it wasn't relevant silly.
So you have no scans or history of Surfer doing so but its his go to tactic?
Why?
