Originally posted by abhilegendYou trying to say all that the surfer does is energy blast is silly. Come on. It's about the power cosmic and the application of said power which is what makes the Norrin the Silver Surfer.
That's not even in dispute. It's the disingenuous "Surfer uses PC manipulation as power so everything he does in a fight from flying to blasting is versatility."😂
Yes, Darth is a brick wall. Excellent analogy.👆
Originally posted by abhilegend
No shit Sherlock.
Your anger's showing...
Originally posted by abhilegend
Well, you can argue about your little off topic conversation, I'm talking about the thread topic.
YOU were the one who brought it all off topic lol
DS said...
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Thing is, though....Superman's speed is a forum rule. So no need to scan dump...
And I responded...
Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh I'm not questioning that in the slightest. But Supes's speed is just one example of a more encompassing rule. I'm not out to prove that Supes WON'T use a speedblitz according to forum rules, I'm out to prove that Surfer WILL use his versatility according to the same forum rule by comparing the use ratio's of the known inclusion to that of the possible inclusion.
Then you chimed in with...
Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh yes, you are.You have argued years about Superman and Surfer having similar level of speed and have been offended by mere mention of Superman being able to speedblitz surfer.
While weakness exploitation (which surfer never uses) is your go tactic.
I want to compare the times Surfer has used kryptonite/red sun rays on someone to the time superman has speedblitzed. Want to compare?
...and that grew into the second half of our discussion. BTW did you decide to back out of the first half of what we were talking about or is your response still to come?
Originally posted by abhilegend
While he has been bombarded by kryptonite, he will be.
But he'll be fine eventually. Surfer blasted Cable's arm clean off... THAT'S "crippling".
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, it doesn't. I only go by what's in the comics.
Then you admit that you're ignoring forum rules when you say Surfer won't use his versatility?
Originally posted by abhilegend
He used it to cure them of a virus. Not exactly an offensive move.
We weren't talking about anything like that. We were talking about how his using his cosmic awareness to find Dawn the best ice cream in the universe proved that you bio excerpt was unusable because it went against on panel showings.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He was mindless. Now you're changing the subject about why it's a low showing.
If he needed to amp to the point of mindlessness, it was a low showing.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really.
Sure it is. According to other on panel depictions he could destroy whole planets without resorting to such a tactic. Ergo, low showing.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He needed to create a diversion. He lost his mind and thus physically destroyed it.That's not a low showing unless you show me Surfer physically destroying a moon.
Destroying a moon is never a low showing.
According to other showings such a tactic shouldn't be necessary.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Why would we try to change him into something which he already was? Why didn't Surfer use his cosmic awareness to find out? I thought that was his default move.
He wasn't Parasite, that's a DC character with no relation to the guy Surfer fought.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes.
Proof it was a bluff?
Originally posted by abhilegend
I think it's a bluff because Surfer in his entire history has never done anything like it.See his fight with Dr. Spectrum whose weakness is ultraviolet radiation. Even more common than Gladiator and common knowledge too.
Did Surfer use his cosmic awareness to find the weakness? Not even remotely.
Just like Early hulk who had a weakness to gamma rays which would turn him into banner.
One bluff and it's the go to move against Superman?
😂
So if Supes's says something like he can punch hard enough to smash moons/planets it must be a bluff right?
He used a different versatility tactic there, he used Spectrum's own energy to overload his ring to one shot Spectrum didn't he?
Surfer DID turn Hulk back into Banner abhi.
What's more, you're using the absence of him using the tactic in showings from way back when Surfer was trapped on Earth to try to undercut the much more recent encounter between Surfer and Glads... doesn't work like that.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not even in dispute. It's the disingenuous "Surfer uses PC manipulation as power so everything he does in a fight from flying to blasting is versatility."😂
Everything he does IS using his versatile powerset to a degree. An he has access to that versatile powerset via his primary power, which is the manipulation of the Power Cosmic. If you look back you'll see that I made it very clear that I was only about basic blasts counting as using his superior versatility against brick characters.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So we've reached an impasse here. Who would have thought?No need to repeat myself anymore.
Using energy blasts by Surfer against bricks is not using versatility. Simple as that. You could shout until you're blue but that wouldn't change the fact.
Unless you give a concrete number of times Surfer has used his versatility, this little debate is useless.
No we haven't. An impass is when two people can't reach an agreement. One person(you) refusing to acknowledge that they've(you've) been repeatedly proven wrong doesn't really qualify. I'm more that willing to demonstrate my side of things, you just don't want to commit to a definite position.
But if you don't want to continue with the way things have been going I can totally understand, and I'll leave you to do... whatever it is you do.
*Drops mic*
Originally posted by darthgoober
Your anger's showing...
I thought my sarcasm is showing?
YOU were the one who brought it all off topic lol
Nope.
DS said...And I responded...
Then you chimed in with...
...and that grew into the second half of our discussion.
I thought this topic is Surfer vs JLA. How is that off topic?
BTW did you decide to back out of the first half of what we were talking about or is your response still to come?
As soon as you care to prove your claim about surfer's versatility. Or are you just going to back out of that with blaming me on that?
But he'll be fine eventually. Surfer blasted Cable's arm clean off... THAT'S "crippling".
Blasting someone with energy is one thing. Using a weakness that is synonym with killing superman is another.
Then you admit that you're ignoring forum rules when you say Surfer won't use his versatility?
Point me where Surfer's versatility is listed in the rules. Your interpretation of the rules are not facts.
We weren't talking about anything like that. We were talking about how his using his cosmic awareness to find Dawn the best ice cream in the universe proved that you bio excerpt was unusable because it went against on panel showings.
And nowhere was cosmic awareness mentioned.
Cosmic senses=/=Cosmic Awareness.
If he needed to amp to the point of mindlessness, it was a low showing.
You are continuing to change why its a low showing. Its not.
Deal with it.
Sure it is. According to other on panel depictions he could destroy whole planets without resorting to such a tactic. Ergo, low showing.
Physically? Show me a single scan of so? He exhausted himself destroying a simple satellite, exhausted himself destroying some random robots.
Those are low showings. Not destroying a moon. You are using high showings as average and discarding anything else as a low showing. That's not how it works.
According to other showings such a tactic shouldn't be necessary.
Why not? When has he destroyed a moon physically?
He wasn't Parasite, that's a DC character with no relation to the guy Surfer fought.
His powers worked in the same way. Any proof that he didn't inherit his weaknesses?
Proof it was a bluff?
He has never done anything like it in his entire career.
So if Supes's says something like he can punch hard enough to smash moons/planets it must be a bluff right?
He has actually done so. So nope.
He used a different versatility tactic there, he used Spectrum's own energy to overload his ring to one shot Spectrum didn't he?
Why didn't he used his weakness? Even Vision has done it to beat Spectrum easily.
You are undermining your own logic. I thought it was his go to logic against anybody with a weakness? He can ascertain Gladiator's weakness but not Dr. Spectrum's? Why?
Surfer DID turn Hulk back into Banner abhi.
By draining him. Gamma rays were weakness of Hulk in the early days where they turned Hulk into banner.
Strangely Surfer didn't use that.
What's more, you're using the absence of him using the tactic in showings from way back when Surfer was trapped on Earth to try to undercut the much more recent encounter between Surfer and Glads... doesn't work like that.
Surfer wasn't depowered in that era. That's another myth. He was only depowered in SS v1.
Are you saying Surfer didn't have cosmic awareness back then? He didn't use any weakness exploitation against Gladiator either.
A more recent example would be Warrior One vs Surfer who had overpowered Surfer pretty effectively. He had a particular weakness as well.
Did Surfer use his "best icecream senses" to know his weakness and beat him even though he knew it? Nope. Dawn had to spoonfeed it to him.
I'm still waiting on the scans where he used weakness exploitation on somebody.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Everything he does IS using his versatile powerset to a degree. An he has access to that versatile powerset via his primary power, which is the manipulation of the Power Cosmic. If you look back you'll see that I made it very clear that I was only about basic blasts counting as using his superior versatility against brick characters.
Sell it to someone else because I don't but shit like that.
Originally posted by darthgoober
No we haven't. An impass is when two people can't reach an agreement.
Yes, that's what we have here.
/sarcasm
One person(you) refusing to acknowledge that they've(you've) been repeatedly proven wrong doesn't really qualify. I'm more that willing to demonstrate my side of things, you just don't want to commit to a definite position.
Yes, its a fault of mine.
/again sarcsam
But if you don't want to continue with the way things have been going I can totally understand, and I'll leave you to do... whatever it is you do.*Drops mic*
Run away again while returning years later saying how you were victimized.
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As it's the Silver Surfer from the comics and not the infamous and invincible Comic Vine Surfer whom can beat TOAA:
Fight 1. 5 of 10
Shazam
Fight 2. 5 of 10
G.L Hal
Fight 3. 2 or 3 of 10
Wonder Woman's combat skills and gear are a bad news to Surfer.
Her habit to block energy blasts and superior combat speed (I think that she is on par or higher than Angela) give
Fight 4. 6 of 10
A bit higher because Superman's weakness to certain wavelengths, Surfer energy manipulation and Cosmic awareness
Superman
Originally posted by darthgoober
No we haven't. An impass is when two people can't reach an agreement. One person(you) refusing to acknowledge that they've(you've) been repeatedly proven wrong doesn't really qualify. I'm more that willing to demonstrate my side of things, you just don't want to commit to a definite position.But if you don't want to continue with the way things have been going I can totally understand, and I'll leave you to do... whatever it is you do.
*Drops mic*
impasse?
