Okay so in all seriousness you know what? I agree with you Nemebro. I'm not being sarcastic when I say that, I was wrong. While I do feel everyone should try to comply with the orders of a police officer I do agree that it is insignificant. I do agree what is significant is that this police officer couldn't deal with an unarmed man in any manner other than killing him.
Originally posted by SurturCool, that is all I wanted to say. 👆
Okay so in all seriousness you know what? I agree with you Nemebro. I'm not being sarcastic when I say that, I was wrong. While I do feel everyone should try to comply with the orders of a police officer I do agree that it is insignificant. I do agree what is significant is that this police officer couldn't deal with an unarmed man in any manner other than killing him.
I agree that it's generally in one's best interests to comply with police officer demands, I just don't view this fat ****'s inability to do that as particularly significant. If they just used stun guns to take him down nonlethally there would be no issue, since that is a pretty acceptable means of subduing a non-complying unarmed person.
Quite a few of the people shot by police were incapable of obeying requests due to having mental problems. Then there was the boy who was shot in the back while walking away because he had headphones in and couldn't hear the officer shouting at him.
There simply isn't any valid excuse for extrajudicial killings of unarmed people given the plethora of non lethal means to subdue people.
A common theme is also beginning to emerge of sheer panic on the officer's part which is clearly a training issue. There obviously isn't enough rigorous testing of resistance to or ability to cope with extreme stress.
I think this article talks about something important not only in the BLM movement but also in how the police handle the situations after someone has been shot:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rakeyia-scott-video-call-the-police_us_57e59706e4b0e80b1ba22256?
In the video on the huffpost page it shows the situtation as recorded by the wife.
Originally posted by jaden101
Quite a few of the people shot by police were incapable of obeying requests due to having mental problems. Then there was the boy who was shot in the back while walking away because he had headphones in and couldn't hear the officer shouting at him.
This is all true and I think there is just that fear of the unknown. They don't know what someone is going to do. However, I feel the cops need to be extra careful if someone is unarmed. Some people fidget when nervous. That alone could cause a cop to think they are trying to do something, and that is just one possible thing someone might do when nervous.
The kid with the headphones is utterly inexcusable. If someone hears a command from a cop they are going to stop..they are going to behave in a way as if they have heard it. Doesn't mean they will necessarily obey, but someone is very likely to hear commands from a cop and not even look around and just continue walking as if nothing happened.
There simply isn't any valid excuse for extrajudicial killings of unarmed people given the plethora of non lethal means to subdue people.A common theme is also beginning to emerge of sheer panic on the officer's part which is clearly a training issue. There obviously isn't enough rigorous testing of resistance to or ability to cope with extreme stress.
I almost think every cop should be taught some basic negotiation skills or something along those lines.
I do feel though that if someone does have a weapon and they aren't complying I think that changes things. That seems unfortunately what happened in Charlotte, and I have also heard reports the man had some kind of brain damage. So it seems he might have had some level of mental illness, but it seems he also had a gun. Did he intend to hurt anyone? Probably not.
Originally posted by Lestov16
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/police-officer-charged-with-fabricating-story-that-black-man-shot-her/ar-BBwyRoK?OCID=ansmsnnews11
Good to see technology foil another stupid cop.
Okay so here is the Charlotte shooting, it's not a very long video:
So honestly, this didn't help me much. We have no way of seeing if he had a gun or not. The wife is heard saying he doesn't have one. Yet at another point you clearly hear her say "Keith don't do it". This doesn't mean he had a gun or anything, she could have just been telling him maybe to act in a more calm manner, I dunno.
So then around 57 seconds in..it shows him on the ground. You have to freeze it at about 57-58 seconds in but..I think I see some kind of object that might be a gun? If you see it..he seems to be kind of laying on top of it...with this object seeming to be a little bit under his right knee.
Okay so for me the link..the screen cap of the link above shows him laying on the ground and it shows the exact moment I'm talking about where there seems to be a black object laying underneath his right leg. I don't know if this is how it shows up for others, but just thought I'd point that out.
It definitely seems like it could be an object, but I can't truly tell.
Why doesn't the departmemt just come out and show the gun? That would be step one, step two would be showing/building a case that the officer(s) felt justified in fearing for their safety. As "fearing for their safety" has been used to exonerate police officers who have killed kids with plastic toys, surely an adult with a real weapon is reasonable.
The only answer I can see is red tape. Though it needs to be noted that for 99% of those toy gun instances..the guns looked very realistic. Look at this most recent case where the 13 yr. old had pulled what looked like a handgun on a cop and it was actually just a BB gun that looked an awful lot like a handgun. Now the kid is dead.
Personally I feel it's time toy companies STOPPED making realistic looking weapons. They are toys, realism isn't f*cking important. I realize some go out of their way to put markers on these that are meant to show they are fake, but these can easily be removed.
Odd how it's apparently easier to apprehend terrorists than it is to apprehend black people. I guess black people are scarier than terrorists? Only reason I could think of why cops can keep their equanimity and subdue an armed violent terrorist but freak the phuck out and empty their clips into black people, both armed and unarmed.
Originally posted by Robtard
I don't think this incident has anything to do with a fake gun? The man either had a gun like the police claim, or he didn't. So let us see it and move forward, this is what I am saying.
I know this incident doesn't have to do with the fake gun, but you did mention the cops killing kids with toy guns thing, so I was commenting on that as well. I feel they need to stop making realistic looking toy guns.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Odd how it's apparently easier to apprehend terrorists than it is to apprehend black people. I guess black people are scarier than terrorists? Only reason I could think of why cops can keep their equanimity and subdue an armed violent terrorist but freak the phuck out and empty their clips into black people, both armed and unarmed.
Dude didn't you literally just post a topic about a WHITE guy who was a terrorist and who wasn't arrested, but was shot and killed?
Originally posted by Lestov16
Odd how it's apparently easier to apprehend terrorists than it is to apprehend black people. I guess black people are scarier than terrorists? Only reason I could think of why cops can keep their equanimity and subdue an armed violent terrorist but freak the phuck out and empty their clips into black people, both armed and unarmed.
Is that all society talks about anymore skin color? Identity politics 101, divide everyone up based on race, religion and skin color, then play them against each other. You people still fall for this same olf garbage, its pretty amusing.
You do realize a Harvard that was specifically made to prove blacks were shot more then whites, ended up proving whites were shot more then blacks?
I mean the guy from Houston is dead because he didn't comply.
If you think about the other recent deadly shooting at the mall they say the guy was zombie like when they came upon him, he didn't resist at all. Hence why he got taken in alive.
So we just saw the terrorists don't always get taken in alive.