Originally posted by Silent Master
Then by all means post the scenes where Zod shows off his running speed.Then post the scenes where Zod runs at super speed.
dunno how to post scenes but heres the link:
Originally posted by Silent Master
Then by all means post the scenes where Zod shows off his running speed.Then post the scenes where Zod runs at super speed.
dunno how to post scenes but heres the link:
Originally posted by FrothByte
Dude, seriously, how difficult do you think a rear naked choke or neck snap is? It's not like a super secret move that requires endless years of training. Anyone can do it given the right positioning and strength. Besides, you really think Kurse who is thousands of years old won't know how to do such a simple maneuver?ANd like I said (which is something you're not addressing), Kurse doing a neck snap is more plausible than Zod bringing out a blackhole grenade.
That is not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying that based on the way Kurse fights the chances of him using or trying to apply a RNC are in my eyes nonexistant. That thousand years of experience was limited to beating the living snot out of Thor. Hence I base my assesment of this particular fight on the way that Kurse approches his fight with Thor and that is like a boxer, and a boxer doesn't suddenly use a RNC, just like Kurse didn't a single time in his fight with Thor use a single hold, beyond when he lifted Thor from the ground.
You disagree and think Kurse will win by applying a RNC and snap Zods neck? Cool, I just think that is a gross neglect of the ways both characters have shown to fight on panel. But w/e.
Originally posted by relentless1
dunno how to post scenes but heres the link:
I don't see any Faora like running speed, however as I'm watching from my phone its possible that I missed it. If you'll list the exact time it happens in the clip, I'll take another look.
Originally posted by Utrigita
That is not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying that based on the way Kurse fights the chances of him using or trying to apply a RNC are in my eyes nonexistant. That thousand years of experience was limited to beating the living snot out of Thor. Hence I base my assesment of this particular fight on the way that Kurse approches his fight with Thor and that is like a boxer, and a boxer doesn't suddenly use a RNC, just like Kurse didn't a single time in his fight with Thor use a single hold, beyond when he lifted Thor from the ground.You disagree and think Kurse will win by applying a RNC and snap Zods neck? Cool, I just think that is a gross neglect of the ways both characters have shown to fight on panel. But w/e.
I'm saying choking out someone or snapping someone's neck is not something you need training for. You can train to mak yourself more efficient at it, but no person is incapable of doing it given proper position and strength.
So, I think it's ridiculous to think that Kurse won't utilize it given an opportunity. Kurse is not fightinh under boxing rules. A better argument would be whether Kurse will have the opportunity to apply a RNC given Zod's speed.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm saying choking out someone or snapping someone's neck is not something you need training for. You can train to mak yourself more efficient at it, but no person is incapable of doing it given proper position and strength.So, I think it's ridiculous to think that Kurse won't utilize it given an opportunity. Kurse is not fightinh under boxing rules. A better argument would be whether Kurse will have the opportunity to apply a RNC given Zod's speed.
Which I'm not at all going to disagree on. I'm disagreeing with the mindset of Kurse and his willingness to apply it. And as already mentioned I see that as non existant, based on his performance against Thor and his avenue of attack.
I on the other hand think it ridiculous to assume Kurse will use something that he has never shown any form of willingness to utilize on panel in a fight. The speed is another question all together.
But again, we have entirely different views on how this fight will pan out, which is cool.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I can't. Just like I can't show Palpatine or Mace Windu sprinting as fast as Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan do in TPM.
Both Qui-Gon and Obi Wan used the same power, at the same time, the same way, the skill does not seem to be unique in style and nature to the specific persons. Qui-Gon taught Obi Wan the same way as Dooku taught Qui Gon and Yoda taught Dooku. It is not unreasonable to assume that the skills were passed down between master and student. Unless you think QG invented force speed. But rules are rules. I think it comes down to if both sides of a debate wants to consider certain exceptions to the rule due to reasonable logic (as above).
However, Faora fought differently from Kal-El (and had an obvious speed difference as Kal) and she's def much faster than Nam Ek. They each fought differently in the movie and Zod had a crap ton of chances to showcase his speed in his fight with Kal And he did (as relentless pointed out, he did a pretty fast bullrush at the start of his fight with Kal El). Just not nearly the same blinding speed as Faora. He rushed pretty fast, tho (based on the video above, about 25 feet within a second, 0:23-0:24 exactly).
I'd say about as fast as a flying Thor or Mjolnir. More or less.
Originally posted by Utrigita
That is not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying that based on the way Kurse fights the chances of him using or trying to apply a RNC are in my eyes nonexistant. That thousand years of experience was limited to beating the living snot out of Thor. Hence I base my assesment of this particular fight on the way that Kurse approches his fight with Thor and that is like a boxer, and a boxer doesn't suddenly use a RNC, just like Kurse didn't a single time in his fight with Thor use a single hold, beyond when he lifted Thor from the ground.You disagree and think Kurse will win by applying a RNC and snap Zods neck? Cool, I just think that is a gross neglect of the ways both characters have shown to fight on panel. But w/e.
To be fair, Kurse was face grabbing the Asgardian guards at their assault on Asgard and burning their faces. That's a form of grapple.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Both Qui-Gon and Obi Wan used the same power, at the same time, the same way, the skill does not seem to be unique in style and nature to the specific persons. Qui-Gon taught Obi Wan the same way as Dooku taught Qui Gon and Yoda taught Dooku. It is not unreasonable to assume that the skills were passed down between master and student. Unless you think QG invented force speed. But rules are rules. I think it comes down to if both sides of a debate wants to consider certain exceptions to the rule due to reasonable logic (as above).However, Faora fought differently from Kal-El (and had an obvious speed difference as Kal) and she's def much faster than Nam Ek. They each fought differently in the movie and Zod had a crap ton of chances to showcase his speed in his fight with Kal And he did (as relentless pointed out, he did a pretty fast bullrush at the start of his fight with Kal El). Just not nearly the same blinding speed as Faora. He rushed pretty fast, tho (based on the video above, about 25 feet within a second 0:23-0:24 exactly).
I'd say about as fast as a flying Thor or Mjolnir.
I'll check the bullrush scene after work when I can watch it on a full screen. But relentless1 was wrong about Zod running up the building.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I'll check the bullrush scene after work when I can watch it on a full screen. But relentless1 was wrong about Zod running up the building.
Yeah, good idea. He's not always accurate with these things sometimes. But from what I saw, he covered the distance pretty well.
He fights differently from Faora, tho. Nowhere near the same finesse. Usually just bullrushing forward.
Originally posted by relentless1
yeah he's definitely not as graceful but he's still just as fast, Zods speed clamouring up the side of the building was on par with Supermans flying towards him so id say that counts
Nope. Faora was much faster as her movement was blinding fast and very precise.
Again, he does NOT have any of Faora's speed showings. Different kinds of speeds. All he's shown is the ability to leap forward fast and to fly fast. That is all.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Zod was bear crawling up that wall pretty fast. Havent seen that fight in about a year but if i were to hazard a guess i would say bout 50-60 mph but I could be way off. Anybody got a gif of that by chance.
Actually did the math for that and you're a little off.
Here is the clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnAw3E_mLh8
From the ff. timestamps:
(2:02) looks like the building had about 8 segments with each segment containing 5 stories (thus 40 stories) it also looks like Zod cleared 9 stories on his initial leap upwards.
(2:03-2:05) Zod did 4 lunges in this space of time.
(2:08) Looks like Zod is about 4 segments from reaching the top.
Assuming 1 story is 3 meters (floors in this building look rather short IMO).
From this observation alone, one can ascertain:
Tha Zod cleared 11 stories (40 - 9 (cleared by jump) - 20 (position at 2:08) ) within 5 seconds (2:03-2:08) or 11/5 or 2.2 story per second.
2.2 story per second x 3 meters/story = 6.6m/s or 23.76kph or 14.85mph
Bear in mind this was done because he was (from visual observation) clearing about 1 story per lunge, not because he was moving his limbs very fast. From just counting, he did 4 lunges in a little over 2 seconds. Which about correlates with my math above.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Actually did the math for that and you're a little off.Here is the clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnAw3E_mLh8
From the ff. timestamps:
(2:02) looks like the building had about 8 segments with each segment containing 5 stories (thus 40 stories) it also looks like Zod cleared 9 stories on his initial leap upwards.
(2:03-2:05) Zod did 4 lunges in this space of time.
(2:08) Looks like Zod is about 4 segments from reaching the top.
Assuming 1 story is 3 meters (floors in this building look rather short IMO).
From this observation alone, one can ascertain:
Tha Zod cleared 11 stories (40 - 9 (cleared by jump) - 20 (position at 2:08) ) within 5 seconds (2:03-2:08) or 11/5 or 2.2 story per second.
2.2 story per second x 3 meters/story = 6.6m/s or 23.76kph or 14.85mph
Bear in mind this was done because he was (from visual observation) clearing about 1 story per lunge, not because he was moving his limbs very fast. From just counting, he did 4 lunges in a little over 2 seconds. Which about correlates with my math above.
A real life peak human can run twice as fast as that.
But his feat may not be as slow as it appears, you need to keep in mind a few things:
- he is working against gravity. You could probably work out how fast he was accounting for this as well.
- He seems to be accelerating, as his final lunge appears to cover a larger distance.