Originally posted by quanchi112So she being prone to monologuing doesn't have weight in this fight?
Characters talk and fight all the time. She can fight but she also can talk. I argue what these characters do not what you want them to do. You dismiss the evidence I accept it, kid.
That's what I've been saying, thanks! 👆
Originally posted by Robtard
I have no idea what you're talking about with "disintegration". I don't think I said or implied anything of the sort. My comments were in regards to the physical stresses incurred by a great pull. Edit: I think it was TI that used the word, imo, was just a misspeak.As far as the ship scene, Clark lost his powers because he was cut off from Earth's atmosphere and YSR; yet regained them almost instantly once the ship was made to emulate Earth. Why Faora while still in the suit and surrounded by her native environment, still powered up as well due to the YSR.
Regardless if he gains them back (never disagreed, after all, I'm the one who showcased it was the atmosphere played a huge role in that not just the sun... even was peddling it was the YSR that did that, when in fact it was most the atmosphere at that point. Anyways, the point is, yes he regained his powers, but he wouldn't have kept his supposed sun-dip. That would've been long long gone by that point. Shit, even if he wasn't exposed to a red sun, the boost would've left him anyways once he started to exert himself. It certainly wasn't present after being on Zod's ship i.e. he had no sun dip after being on the ship. NO two ways about that.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You're right, I guess we agree on most thing, but just disagree on how it will play out in the end. However, while I get what you're saying, and do believe Faora will make him look clumsy in the beginning.... and you agree Hulk will eventually catch up to her... I just don't get why you think she survives said assault from Hulk. If Hulk gets a hold of her like he did Loki, she'd done.
Actually, I don't think she'd survive Hulk getting a hold on her. I keep saying that if Hulk grabs hold, she get puny godded. 😛
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Well as per forum's rules the monologuing and such would not take place here.In a situation like that it shouldn't make that much of a difference tbh.
I don't see where it says that, I mean talking and taunting was pretty ingrained on how she fights in-character. I thought CIS was allowed but not PIS?
Originally posted by Arachnid1
Hey guysIf Superman loses his powers outside of earths atmosphere, how was he fighting Zod in space?
Anyway, this is a pretty easy fight for Faora. Hulk couldn't even tag Thor nevermind any Kryptonian.
But he did tag Thor. And I did show some "feats" of him grabbing ejector seats and swatting away rockets twice. Those seem to show that he might be able to tag her at some point.
Originally posted by NibedicusThe only time he tagged Thor was a sucker punch while Thor was trying to talk to him. Otherwise, Thor was dodging with ease
But he did tag Thor. And I did show some "feats" of him grabbing ejector seats and swatting away rockets twice. Those seem to show that he might be able to tag her at some point.
Despite that, he hasn't showcased any impressive speed in an actual fight. Definitely not enough to hit someone who has showcased actual super speed
Originally posted by Arachnid1
Hey guysIf Superman loses his powers outside of earths atmosphere, how was he fighting Zod in space?
Anyway, this is a pretty easy fight for Faora. Hulk couldn't even tag Thor nevermind any Kryptonian.
Wut??? She not faster than Rockets fired... nor bullets... nor ejector seats... He's reacted to all of those things just fine. He'd react to her eventually and beat the ever loving shit out of her. I love how people think Hulk is slow he's nothing of the sort. He's incredibly fast and agile. Simply look at this video below. Notice how he's far away from Tony one instant and then almost right away he's on top of him. He's not some slow lumbering dude, that is simply a fallacy being touted around here. He'd catch her, and when he does, she gets owned.. EASILY
Originally posted by Arachnid1
The only time he tagged Thor was a sucker punch while Thor was trying to talk to him. Otherwise, Thor was dodging with easeDespite that, he hasn't showcased any impressive speed in an actual fight. Definitely not enough to hit someone who has showcased actual super speed
Speed isn't the issue here. We know that he's not gonna be weaving and dodging against Faora, he's gonna get punched, he'd tank and soak and look pretty bad, we know that.
The point is that he can and has managed to swat away or even tag or grab fast objects before. Ejector, rockets and even manage to catch Thor's hammer (w/c was quite quickly done) as it was thrown. We're not saying he's gonna tag Faora right away, we're just saying it is very plausible for him to get a hold of her eventually.
The fight against Thor was too short for any kind of conclusive evidence on how he fairs against speed. After all, he did eventually grab hold of him and tossed him around pretty well right before the jet intervened.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Wut??? She not faster than Rockets fired... nor bullets... nor ejector seats... He's reacted to all of those things just fine. He'd react to her eventually and beat the ever loving shit out of her. I love how people think Hulk is slow he's nothing of the sort. He's incredibly fast and agile. Simply look at this video below. Notice how he's far away from Tony one instant and then almost right away he's on top of him. He's not some slow lumbering dude, that is simply a fallacy being touted around here. He'd catch her, and when he does, she gets owned.. EASILY
I actually remember commenting on that way back when the trailer for Age of Ultron came out. Hulk easily covers several dozen feet in like a second. Also, Hulk was intercepting speeding Chitauri flyers during the New York battle, IIRC.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiBullets? Are people trying to argue that Hulk is a bullet timer in this thread now?
Wut??? She not faster than Rockets fired... nor bullets... nor ejector seats... He's reacted to all of those things just fine. He'd react to her eventually and beat the ever loving shit out of her. I love how people think Hulk is slow he's nothing of the sort. He's incredibly fast and agile. Simply look at this video below. Notice how he's far away from Tony one instant and then almost right away he's on top of him. He's not some slow lumbering dude, that is simply a fallacy being touted around here. He'd catch her, and when he does, she gets owned.. EASILY
Just look at Hulk fighting those soldiers in the beginning of your video. Then look at that gif where she's blitzing around and even punching at super speed. Can you honestly tell me that you think Hulk is anywhere near her? Faora was reacting to and fighting a flying Superman, who has been shown to fly faster than the speed of sound. She was blitzing the phuck out of Superman never mind someone like the Hulk. Hulk has been shown lumbering around in every fight he's been in. He couldn't tag Thor without a sucker punch and he couldn't tag Blonsky who had Caps super soldier serum until Blonsky legitimately walked up to him and gave him a free hit. How is he going to tag someone with legitimate super speed? Someone who's been shown to blitz someone else with legitimate super speed? That doesn't sound completely crazy to you?
Originally posted by NibedicusI can agree that he can tank some hits from Faora, but she would be constantly barraging him at super speed, and she is strong enough to hurt him. I definitely don't agree that he would be able to tag her, and even if he did, she could definitely take a few of his hits if she could take Supes.
Speed isn't the issue here. We know that he's not gonna be weaving and dodging against Faora, he's gonna get punched, he'd tank and soak and look pretty bad, we know that.The point is that he can and has managed to swat away or even tag or grab fast objects before. Ejector, rockets and even manage to catch Thor's hammer (w/c was quite quickly done) as it was thrown. We're not saying he's gonna tag Faora right away, we're just saying it is very plausible for him to get a hold of her eventually.
The fight against Thor was too short for any kind of conclusive evidence on how he fairs against speed. After all, he did eventually grab hold of him and tossed him around pretty well right before the jet intervened.
Originally posted by Arachnid1I can agree that he can tank some hits from Faora, but she would be constantly barraging him at super speed, and she is strong enough to hurt him. I definitely don't agree that he would be able to tag her, and even if he did, she could definitely take a few of his hits if she could take Supes.
Can you show me an instance where Faora actually used a barrage of hits?
Originally posted by Arachnid1
That gif in the postNow can you show me an instance of Hulk tagging or fighting anyone as fast as her?
That wasn't a barrage of punches. That was Faora covering distance at superspeed but the punches themselves didn't seem that much faster than a professional boxers.
Hulk has never tagged anyone as fast as Faora, and Faora should easily win this... IF she always moved at that speed. However from what we saw in the movie, it seems she only uses her superspeed in quick bursts and most of the time fights in normal speed.
It's silly to think that Hulk can hit her when she's going at full speed. But it's also silly to think that she'll be zooming around the entire fight at superspeed.
Originally posted by FrothByteThat was definitely a barrage of punches. It was fast. Maybe not Flash level, but you don't even see her throw the punches. She bursts and punches in super speed, stops at the end of the punch, and bursts around over and again, all done in a second. Could you imagine her blitzing around the Hulk with those bursts? He wouldn't be able to follow her lumbering around the way he does, and she would pick him apart. He's definitely not going to be able to grab her between bursts either. She was able to react to Supes between bursts just fine, to the point where he couldn't even tag her. If supes had trouble taging her, it's flat out impossible for Banner
That wasn't a barrage of punches. That was Faora covering distance at superspeed but the punches themselves didn't seem that much faster than a professional boxers.Hulk has never tagged anyone as fast as Faora, and Faora should easily win this... IF she always moved at that speed. However from what we saw in the movie, it seems she only uses her superspeed in quick bursts and most of the time fights in normal speed.
It's silly to think that Hulk can hit her when she's going at full speed. But it's also silly to think that she'll be zooming around the entire fight at superspeed.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
That was definitely a barrage of punches. It was fast. Maybe not Flash level, but you don't even see her throw the punches. She bursts and punches in super speed, stops at the end of the punch, and bursts around over and again, all done in a second. Could you imagine her blitzing around the Hulk with those bursts? He wouldn't be able to follow her lumbering around the way he does, and she would pick him apart. He's definitely not going to be able to grab her between bursts either. She was able to react to Supes between bursts just fine, to the point where he couldn't even tag her. If supes had trouble taging her, it's flat out impossible for Banner
I don't think you understand what a barrage of punches mean. She delivers 3 punches to 3 different people. Also note how she pauses at each person when she delivers the hit. There's a PAUSE when she delivers the hit. She doesn't just zoom by them in one continuous motion. That seems to show that she needs to deliver that punch at somewhat slower rate.
My point is, you don't see her chain attacks in superspeed. Most of her superspeed feats is limited to 1 or 2 actions before she needs to pause.
So your scenario of her just flash dancing all over Hulk, peppering him with hits, is not supported by feats. That's not how the Kyrptonian superspeed was shown to work.
Originally posted by FrothByteI get what you're saying, but you're misunderstanding my post
I don't think you understand what a barrage of punches mean. She delivers 3 punches to 3 different people. Also note how she pauses at each person when she delivers the hit. There's a PAUSE when she delivers the hit. She doesn't just zoom by them in one continuous motion. That seems to show that she needs to deliver that punch at somewhat slower rate.My point is, you don't see her chain attacks in superspeed. Most of her superspeed feats is limited to 1 or 2 actions before she needs to pause.
So your scenario of her just flash dancing all over Hulk, peppering him with hits, is not supported by feats. That's not how the Kyrptonian superspeed was shown to work.
I'm not saying she does it all continuously. Despite that, her pauses are still a very small fraction of a second, and not enough for Hulk to capitalize on. She pauses after the punch is thrown too, so the punch itself is still at super speed. I'm saying she'll be able to burst around the Hulk exactly the same way she does in that clip to deliver a barrage of punches at the same speed. Now she just doesn't have to cover as much distance and all her hits can be concentrated on one individual. She'll still have split second pauses, but it doesn't matter when each hit is delivered to a different area from a different angle and she can give a good 3-4 hits a second all from an unknown angle.
Plus, when she fought supes, she was dodging and blocking everything he put out while sustaining a monologue. That scene actually reminded me of Thor dancing around Hulk, except on a higher scale. She's the fastest of all four of them, fighting the slowest.