Originally posted by Robtard
Trying to find the whole scene, but at 1:28 while Clark's head gets kocked back, he's alright and Faora and Nam don't really care about in the bullets. Iirc, there's an earlier scene where the A-10 unloads it's anti-armor rounds and they're moved, but again, fine from the bullets, there's no visible damage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqlaXylsMwQUsing your rules he was actually KO'd twice. First by Abomination for a few moments and then by Tony. Do you think Tony's suit is really superior to a Kryptonian? I doubt even A is.
So a "weak black hole". Alright, fully disagree, but we're at an impasse. You stick to the oil rig when Clark clearly improved and you dismiss the black hole, I see nothing to go forward with. Do you? Don't take that as an insult, it's just what it is.
See above, if you believe his strength increased, then so would his protective aura, all his powers are connected to his YSR absorption.
If you get hit by a punch.. but it doesn't cause bleeding or a bruise but you're on the ground stunned... it caused damage. No blood or bruising doesn't mean no damage was done. Nam was visibly stunned and on one knee struggling to get up. Hulk took similar fire like it was a mere nuisance
Abom KO... I don't remember any such KO... I'll have to go revisit the scene again. I remember him stunned. I don't remember him with his eyes closed and not moving, as we saw with Clark. Regardless, Kryptonians in general have been KO'd more, and you believe they were more durable as a whole. So they all count against Hulk's showings, and they fall short.
Now that I think about it, I have unquestionable proof he didn't get any stronger or more durable. After Jor-El speech where he's flying around and then takes a quick dip into the atmosphere... where this supposed dip occurs. As I've already shown, that is only temporary and doesn't last forever. However, what shows it didn't last, is before he had a chance to perform any feats.... he was drained of said solar when on Zod's ship. That little sun dip not only would naturally go, but certainly went after exposure to the red sun. So no, that sun dip certainly didn't last.
We'll just have to agree to disagree, but the fact remain, and this can't be disputed, there was no disintegration going on there. That wasn't what it was doing. It was merely sucking people into the blackhole. We saw people go in there whole over and over. He wasn't resisting any disintegration. We could argue the pull of gravity and all, and those effects, but that is unquantifiable.
I have no idea what you're talking about with "disintegration". I don't think I said or implied anything of the sort. My comments were in regards to the physical stresses incurred by a great pull. Edit: I think it was TI that used the word, imo, was just a misspeak.
As far as the ship scene, Clark lost his powers because he was cut off from Earth's atmosphere and YSR; yet regained them almost instantly once the ship was made to emulate Earth. Why Faora while still in the suit and surrounded by her native environment, still powered up as well due to the YSR.
Originally posted by NibedicusOwned.
It was a much smaller one, yes. But Kurse was dead center of the singularity and the gravitational force on said singularity hits "infinite force" (or whatever unknown immeasurable force lies within a singularity). And he basically got sucked into the "infinite force" of the singularity itself. A black hole is not a singularity. The singularity is a point that lies at the very center of a black hole.Superman wasn't at the center at all. Apples to oranges.
Originally posted by Robtard😂
I have no idea what you're talking about with "disintegration". I don't think I said or implied anything of the sort. My comments were in regards to the physical stresses incurred by a great pull.As far as the ship scene, Clark lost his powers because he was cut off from Earth's atmosphere and YSR; yet regained them almost instantly once the ship was made to emulate Earth.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
It was a much smaller one, yes. But Kurse was dead center of the singularity and the gravitational force on said singularity hits "infinite force" (or whatever unknown immeasurable force lies within a singularity). And he basically got sucked into the "infinite force" of the singularity itself. A black hole is not a singularity. The singularity is a point that lies at the very center of a black hole.Superman wasn't at the center at all. Apples to oranges.
Great durability ft for Lois.
Originally posted by NibedicusWell as per forum's rules the monologuing and such would not take place here.
I'd agree with you on that, actually. Faora's movement seemed faster than the ejector to me as well. Tho, I wouldn't say by a lot. My point is that Hulk has showings of hand/foot speed throughout his career. Faora is fast and Hulk's not tagging her for a while. And I will still state that I think she wins by wearing Hulk down more often than not (6/10). But it won't be easy.That's cuz her durability is questionable (max of her durability seems to be gettting hit by a Maverick air-to-ground missile, not bad but not beyond-Hulk good either) and she doesn't have many great strength "feats" that I can think of. If Hulk grabs her, she gets puny godded. And she's cocky as f-ck, as well. Prone to staredowns and monologing. The same monologing and staredown that didn't work too well with Loki and it is behavior Hulk has shown to exploit in the past. This is Mountan vs. Oberin all over again. One has all the tools to win and should win but one mistake and it's over.
As for your question towards Froth, I'm thinking that one would give you the time to go limp or roll with the impact while the other would just hit you square on.
In a situation like that it shouldn't make that much of a difference tbh.
Originally posted by Robtard
I have no idea what you're talking about with "disintegration". I don't think I said or implied anything of the sort. My comments were in regards to the physical stresses incurred by a great pull. Edit: I think it was TI that used the word, imo, was just a misspeak.As far as the ship scene, Clark lost his powers because he was cut off from Earth's atmosphere and YSR; yet regained them almost instantly once the ship was made to emulate Earth. Why Faora while still in the suit and surrounded by her native environment, still powered up as well due to the YSR.
You're correct bud, I guess it was somebody else that used that word not you. In the end. we don't quite agree on all the issues, but I do know where you're coming from. It's not totally off base at all, I get it, I just think makes a little more logical sense. That is just my opinion though, obviously you feel your view does.
Originally posted by quanchi112In your version one character is hitting the other while she's talking , IOW one is fighting and the other is not. One is a coward and the other isn't.
So you believe versus threads are when characters do not try to fight each other ? You're a troll.
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Originally posted by Nibedicus
Well, I disagree. But I can see where you're coming from. It comes down to how fast we see Faora was going and how strongly (or not) this will affect the outcome of the fight. I will admit that, at this point, it will be mostly personal interpretations as Faora's speed is pretty hard to quantify (although I also doubt that it would outspeed rockets).What is unquestionable is that Hulk has dealt with fast objects in the past. And like you said, Hulk will eventually tag her. It is inevitable, that is, assuming he get infinite time. I think our point of contention is the when this inevitable thing happens and if Hulk would still be standing by the time this set period elapses.
You're right, I guess we agree on most thing, but just disagree on how it will play out in the end. However, while I get what you're saying, and do believe Faora will make him look clumsy in the beginning.... and you agree Hulk will eventually catch up to her... I just don't get why you think she survives said assault from Hulk. If Hulk gets a hold of her like he did Loki, she'd done.
Originally posted by Adam GrimesCharacters talk and fight all the time. She can fight but she also can talk. I argue what these characters do not what you want them to do. You dismiss the evidence I accept it, kid.
In your version one character is hitting the other while she's talking , IOW one is fighting and the other is not. One is a coward and the other isn't.Be consistent.