Originally posted by Nibedicus
Quite the contrary. If, I were to body slam a guy at speed into a car door, I'd do far more damage to it than if I were to simply punch the window. Or better yet use a rock to smash into it.
Interesting.
I think your car door analogy doesn't work because you couldn't push someone through a metal door. Kryptonians are clearly more durable than a bank vault. A more equivalent example might be throwing someone through a wooden door.
I actually think I could do more damage with fist strikes, provided I had heightened durability that meant I would sustain no injuries/pain.
The smaller surface area of the fist means more force applied to the area than a larger body mass. This is just my thinking, its not like I've done research on this.
Either way, the question isn't which you think would do more damage. The question is if you had the strength to throw a man several hundred meters through a concrete wall, then a bank vault, would you not also reasonably expect to have the strength to easily bust the same door (or wooden door in RL example) with punches?
Originally posted by Placidity
Interesting.I think your car door analogy doesn't work because you couldn't push someone through a metal door. Kryptonians are clearly more durable than a bank vault. A more equivalent example might be throwing someone through a wooden door.
I actually think I could do more damage with fist strikes, provided I had heightened durability that meant I would sustain no injuries/pain.
The smaller surface area of the fist means more force applied to the area than a larger body mass. This is just my thinking, its not like I've done research on this.
Either way, the question isn't which you think would do more damage. The question is if you had the strength to throw a man several hundred meters through a concrete wall, then a bank vault, would you not also reasonably expect to have the strength to easily bust the same door (or wooden door in RL example) with punches?
Body slamming something with greater durability than the object in question would still do more damage (IMO) as you'll be adding your own strength/leverage and the targets own weight/durability. I'm right with you on this, tho. I haven't done my research as well, as I'm not a physicist or whatever study it is that measures a impact forces of punching and body slamming. Plus the idea of being able to damage something durable by throwing something really durable against it isn't just about your strength, it's more on how fast you are able to throw the object, I reckon.
She didn't really "bust" or "smash" it, I'd agree that she dented it pretty nicely, tho.
As for your last question. I don't know. Again not an expert but I would think punching and throwing someone really hard requires different sets of muscles and movement/skills and being able to do one well doesn't automatically translate to being able to do the other proportionally just as good.
Anyway, here's ammunition data and their corresponding RHA (rolled homogeneous armor) penetration (http://www.steelbeasts.com/sbwiki/index.php/Ammunition_Data). A bank vault would be about 16-18 inches I reckon (although it wouldn't be pure armor, it would be a a composite/mix with gears and mechanisms inside, and I know I'm just guessing here but would at least 12 inches or 300mm be fair?).
Need an expert to verify these as I'm just about guessing here. -_-
It looks like many kinetic weapons above a 100mm cannon as well as many RPGs can do the job quite nicely (Iron Man was hit by a 105mm cannon in the first Iron Man movie if you believe how stupid movie physics can be, never mind actually using a tank's main gun to shoot at a flying target, and Abomi literally hit himself with what looks like an antitank rocket with zero effect). And I mean these weapons would punch clean through based on this data. Again, these are just guesses here and pls pls pls do not take too much stock with what I'm typing. I am NOT an expert.
Ahhh, the math of all this is beyond me. I wish a physicist or munitions expert would come over and explain all this to us.
Originally posted by TheGrat1
One smack from Mjolnir put Hulk on queer street and yet Faora can't knock him out? Please. And she is way faster than the hammer throw Hulk caught. That thing wasn't even moving in excess of 60 miles per hour. And for all this speed you claim he has he was unable to tag a Thor that was free to bob and weave.Faora KO's him, easily.
Again, he's reacted to things faster than she fights. So he would have no issue doing so here imo. He's more durable than she is, or ANY Kryptonian for that matter. She won't be able to put him down before he crushes her. She's simply not in his league. He outclasses her in every single way that matters in a fight besides Speed. He's stronger.. more striking power.. more durable... to cap it all off... he's very quick himself with great reaction speed... so her speed. won't mean much in the end. She gets curbed.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiIt would have took you less time to answer than it took you to come up with this... post.
Bud, don't ask me questions that you can easily look up yourself. In this day and age of the internet, don't ask me for something you could've found in the time it took you to make that post. When you do, then tell me, so Faora fights at faster than those speeds named?
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
It would have took you less time to answer than it took you to come up with this... post.
Depends on the rocket. Usually ranges from 400-800 m/s.
If this is Ang Lee Hulk deflecting rockets with his hands, don't think AL Hulk is canon to MCU Hulk even though the stories kinda link up.
Abom did catch a rocket with his back turned tho. And Hulk and him more or less went speed to speed and toe to toe.
Originally posted by Nibedicus👆
Depends on the rocket. Usually ranges from 400-800 m/s.If this is Ang Lee Hulk deflecting rockets with his hands, don't think AL Hulk is canon to MCU Hulk even though the stories kinda link up.
Abom did catch a rocket with his back turned tho. And Hulk and him more or less went speed to speed and toe to toe.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Quite the contrary. If, I were to body slam a guy at speed into a car door, I'd do far more damage to it than if I were to simply punch the window. Or better yet use a rock to smash into it.
Actually it would be more like throwing a baseball at a car window and cracking it. Odds are you would still be able to crack the window if you punched it. You have to take into account the ease with which Faora can move a body of mass the size of Kal-El and how durable the Kryptonians are compared to the objects they are interacting with.
As a baseball is less durable than a car window and you've already admitted that Kryptonians are tougher than metal, rock to window would be more accurate than baseball to window.
And no, I will more than likely hurt my hand than crack a car window. I'm not an action hero. Unless I protect my hand (elbow wrapped with a jacket/shirt is actually better) or weaken the window using (yep) a rock. Windows don't behave IRL the way they behave in movies, you know (hmmm, sounds familiar).
^ Car window is actually easy to shatter...
A rock would go through easier because it is heavier. But both are still more durable.
Originally posted by Placidity
^ Car window is actually easy to shatter...A rock would go through easier because it is heavier. But both are still more durable.
Must be either fake or some cheap ass safety glass to break that easily. Although it wasn't up all the way, thus it was in a less structurally supported position (imagine squashing an egg while it is whole vs when you cut an opening on its top). Had that window been up all the way "thud pop"" would be the sound his hand makes when he hit it.
This would be the more ideal result had the car window been fully up:
Edit. Power went back on so I simply saved and switched to my PC from my Iphone. Pardon the incomplete reply prior.
Also while a ball is more "durable" per se as in it would not break against a car window before the car window will shatter. It is also a much softer (but much more flexible) material, meaning it would bounce/deflect more easily, losing a good amount of its energy when said energy reverberates back into the ball. Again, making the analogy less accurate IMO. Although, I will admit my use of the word "durable" was inaccurate. "Softer" would have been a better word.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
As a baseball is less durable than a car window and you've already admitted that Kryptonians are tougher than metal, rock to window would be more accurate than baseball to window.And no, I will more than likely hurt my hand than crack a car window. I'm not an action hero. Unless I protect my hand (elbow wrapped with a jacket/shirt is actually better) or weaken the window using (yep) a rock. Windows don't behave IRL the way they behave in movies, you know (hmmm, sounds familiar).
It's very easy to see that the kryptonians are stronger and more durable then Thor or Hulk.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
It's very easy to see that the kryptonians are stronger and more durable then Thor or Hulk.
I'm certainly not discounting that possibility. Given "feats" in BvS (and I am expecting them to ramp up the damned "feats" in BvS, especially the superspeed, else I'd be pretty disappointed) I'm sure things will improve.
As it is now, I can't really see any of Faora's "feats" as comparable to Hulk's and Thor's in the durability department. I mean I don't even remember a single good durability "feat" for Faora other than getting shoved thru some walls by Superman. And Thor and Hulk's highs are pretty damn high in this area. Strength-wise I'd probably agree that she should be stronger than Thor, but in all honesty, all she really has is in terms of "feats" is ABC logic (she stunned Superman thus she can stun Hulk) although those were obviously more likely lows for Superman rather than highs for Faora as his fight with Zod seemed to show FAR more impact than his fight with Faora (although one can go with "accuracy beats power any day" logic and still be right). Hulk is another matter, tho. Again, his highs are just so much better than hers.