Faora vs. MCU Hulk

Originally posted by Arachnid1
I get what you're saying, but you're misunderstanding my post

I'm not saying she does it all continuously. Despite that, her pauses are still a very small fraction of a second, and not enough for Hulk to capitalize on. She pauses after the punch is thrown too, so the punch itself is still at super speed. I'm saying she'll be able to burst around the Hulk exactly the same way she does in that clip to deliver a barrage of punches at the same speed. Now she just doesn't have to cover as much distance and all her hits can be concentrated on one individual. She'll still have split second pauses, but it doesn't matter when each hit is delivered to a different area from a different angle and she can give a good 3-4 hits a second all from an unknown angle.

Plus, when she fought supes, she was dodging and blocking everything he put out while sustaining a monologue. That scene actually reminded me of Thor dancing around Hulk, except on a higher scale. She's the fastest of all four of them, fighting the slowest.

My argument is this: I picture Faora fighting the exact same way she was fighting in MOS, meaning she has a few bursts of superspeed but pretty much fights at a normal pace. Why? Because that's how she was shown fighting.

No mistake about it, Hulk will have a hard time catching her, but it's not impossible. He'll tag her eventually, maybe even after only a few traded hits.

You have to remember that Superman for all his powers has never fought before. Fighting instinct would be next to zero. Hulk is almost pure instinct, and has been in way more fights than Superman. Dodging attacks is not just about speed, it's about proper timing and instinct.

I'm not even saying Hulk wins. To me, Hulk only has a chance at winning if Faora has her mask weakness. But I just think the idea of Kryptonians flashing around their opponents, fighting like Trueblood vampires, is silly and not supported by screenfeats.

Originally posted by FrothByte
My argument is this: I picture Faora fighting the exact same way she was fighting in MOS, meaning she has a few bursts of superspeed but pretty much fights at a normal pace. Why? Because that's how she was shown fighting.

No mistake about it, Hulk will have a hard time catching her, but it's not impossible. He'll tag her eventually, maybe even after only a few traded hits.

You have to remember that Superman for all his powers has never fought before. Fighting instinct would be next to zero. Hulk is almost pure instinct, and has been in way more fights than Superman. Dodging attacks is not just about speed, it's about proper timing and instinct.

I'm not even saying Hulk wins. To me, Hulk only has a chance at winning if Faora has her mask weakness. But I just think the idea of Kryptonians flashing around their opponents, fighting like Trueblood vampires, is silly and not supported by screenfeats.

Now, lets say he does manage to tag her, against all odds, somehow. She's not going to go down from one lucky hit (unless you want to include the mask exploit, which seems a bit unfair). She would still end up winning (which you already said you agree with, so this part isn't really for you; thanks for the civil debate).

Originally posted by Arachnid1
I can agree that he can tank some hits from Faora, but she would be constantly barraging him at super speed, and she is strong enough to hurt him. I definitely don't agree that he would be able to tag her, and even if he did, she could definitely take a few of his hits if she could take Supes.

Ang Lee Hulk has managed to swat, more than once, rockets fired from Comanche attack helicopters all the while dodging their cannon fire. I posted the "feat" in this thread a few pages back. Those things travel in excess of 400m/s IIRC. He's not exactly a slowpoke.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Ang Lee Hulk has managed to swat, more than once, rockets fired from Comanche attack helicopters all the while dodging their cannon fire. I posted the "feat" in this thread a few pages back. Those things travel in excess of 400m/s IIRC. He's not exactly a slowpoke.

Plus, what does Ang Lee Hulk have to do with MCU? He's not canon to the MCU as far as I know

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Yeah, but you can also see those coming and prepare for them to react accordingly. I don't see him being able to follow a sentient being that moves in blinks the same way.

Plus, what does Ang Lee Hulk have to do with MCU? He's not canon to the MCU as far as I know

Hm. Always thought that the Blonksy movie was a direct sequel to Ang Lee Hulk. You may be right, tho. Could be a blessing, I hated that movie.

Let me look up some more "feats".

Ang Lee Hulk is a standalone film. It's a good flick, imo.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Hm. Always thought that the Blonksy movie was a direct sequel to Ang Lee Hulk. You may be right, tho. Could be a blessing, I hated that movie.

Let me look up some more "feats".

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Yeah, but you can also see those coming and prepare for them to react accordingly. I don't see him being able to follow a sentient being that moves in blinks the same way.

Plus, what does Ang Lee Hulk have to do with MCU? He's not canon to the MCU as far as I know

You got to be joking here... Prepare for them? You think a human can react and dodge a rocket being fired at them.. just cause they see it fired LMAO. When a human "sees" something fired... they are exploding less than a second later. Do you even know how fast rockets travel? Faora does not fight as fast as a rocket travels, and even if she did, Hulk has shown to be able to react accordingly.

Even the Abom situation referenced by me earlier. He caught a rocket WITH HIS BACK TURNED AFTER IT HAD ALREADY BEEN FIRED. He proceeded to turn around and catch it mid air. To pull that off would take incredible speed and reaction time. Hulk kick the shit out of Abom and reacted to him just fine. Abom wasn't perceiving things faster. So we know Gamma radiation clearly and without question gives one heightened reactions, speed and perception. As noted:

Hulk has caught missiles
Caught Mjolnir straight out of the air, and again, Mjolnir can travel faster than Faora can move
caught the ejecting pilot

All those conclusively and without question prove he will be able to react to her eventually, and when he does, she's crushed and easily so.

The simple fact remains Hulk is stronger than Faora and he's more durable. He's unquestionably more durable than any Kryptonian as I've shown earlier in the thread. The only thing she has going for her is speed, and that won't be enough. Sure, she could make him look bad for awhile, but eventually he's catching her and puny godding her. Done deal. She simply has no way to keep him down long enough for a KO. He's way too durable for that, and more durable than she is.

So let me get your position straight here. You think Faora is faster than:

Missiles
Rockets
Thor's hammer throw
ejector seat
bullets

Is that right? Cause Hulk has reacted to each one of those, and easily so. So she'd have to be exponentially faster than those things for him to never be able to touch her, and I'm sorry, but she's not that much faster or even faster. You disagree?

Enlighten me, thanosi. How fast are rockets?

You got me there with the 'bullets' part, lol.

Bud, don't ask me questions that you can easily look up yourself. In this day and age of the internet, don't ask me for something you could've found in the time it took you to make that post. When you do, then tell me, so Faora fights at faster than those speeds named?

Watch the movies. Hulk wins. It's all in the movies

Grimes never debates he just trolls.

One smack from Mjolnir put Hulk on queer street and yet Faora can't knock him out? Please. And she is way faster than the hammer throw Hulk caught. That thing wasn't even moving in excess of 60 miles per hour. And for all this speed you claim he has he was unable to tag a Thor that was free to bob and weave.

Faora KO's him, easily.

Considering Thor was fast enough to block multiple blaster bolts, that is hardly a low showing for the Hulk.

Thor is quick, no doubt. But he is obviously no quicker than human ability. Faora dusts him in the speed department and has been proven capable of outputting more than the force necessary to stun Hulk (smashing the bank vault door).

Originally posted by TheGrat1
Thor is quick, no doubt. But he is obviously no quicker than human ability. Faora dusts him in the speed department and has been proven capable of outputting more than the force necessary to stun Hulk (smashing the bank vault door).

I doubt humans can catch an arrow without looking as easily as Loki or deflect multiple energy blasts using a hammer. Let's not lowball here. And Loki kept up quite fine with Cap who mostly just blows through opponents with his speed (or strength). Asgardians are beyond human ability in every stat obviously.

And Hulk missing a few punches doesn't mean he'd never be able to hit Thor given a protracted fight. It just means that Thor dodged his punches. Faora is obviously faster than Thor, but let's not pretend that Hulk would never be able to grab Faora given time. The ejector seat "feat" in Avengers 2 is proof enough that he can grab fast objects. These things accelerate at around 12-14gs (117-137m/s2 or 261 miles per hour per second) yet Hulk grabbed it easily.

She didn't smash the bank vault door. She threw Superman at it. Fortunately, she doesn't have a Superman to throw at Hulk this time around. What punching "feats" does she have?

I believe Faora wins more than not but let's not be silly and start lowballing.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
I doubt humans can catch an arrow without looking as easily as Loki or deflect multiple energy blasts using a hammer. Let's not lowball here. And Loki kept up quite fine with Cap who mostly just blows through opponents with his speed (or strength). Asgardians are beyond human ability in every stat obviously.

His point is likely Loki/Thor were moving at human speed while performing those feats, which they were. No special effects were applied, basically moving as fast as Hiddleston/Hemsworth can.

Ejector seat is something different, I don't contest that.

Originally posted by Nibedicus

She didn't smash the bank vault door. She threw Superman at it. Fortunately, she doesn't have a Superman to throw at Hulk this time around. What punching "feats" does she have?.

I think that requires more strength to do than directly smashing the vault, no?

In your opinion, would it be at all out of the ordinary if she could casually smash one?

Originally posted by TheGrat1
Thor is quick, no doubt. But he is obviously no quicker than human ability. Faora dusts him in the speed department and has been proven capable of outputting more than the force necessary to stun Hulk (smashing the bank vault door).

By all means then, post clips of regular humans blocking multiple energy blasts.

Originally posted by Placidity
His point is likely Loki/Thor were moving at human speed while performing those feats, which they were. No special effects were applied, basically moving as fast as Hiddleston/Hemsworth can.

Agree, but one cannot discount the precision and agility required to successfully pull off those "feats". I can possibly wildly swing my arm pretty fast but swing my arm at the same speed to block a baseball being thrown at me is a whole new level of agility.

And neither did those Superman and Zod. If you take away their Super lunges/leaps and flight. They moved about a little faster than their normal movement IRL as well (I feel like the scenes were sped up a tad, Seagal style but I'd say they really moved around human levels as well, if we use his criteria for it).

Originally posted by Placidity
I think that requires more strength to do than directly smashing the vault, no?

In your opinion, would it be at all out of the ordinary if she could casually smash one?

Quite the contrary. If, I were to body slam a guy at speed into a car door, I'd do far more damage to it than if I were to simply punch the window. Or better yet use a rock to smash into it.

PS. Too late to edit my post above but the ejector sear "feat" was in Avengers 1 and not 2.

PPS. While I agree that Faora can hurt the Hulk saying that her punches are more than strong enough to stun him via the bank vault "feat" is purely a lowball. Hulk runs through reinforced concrete bunkers like they were cardboard boxes (Avengers 2).