Ozymandias vs. Winter Soldier (h2h)

Originally posted by FrothByte
It's perfectly fine to not remember everything in a movie, but if your memory wasn't that good of a particular movie, you might have wanted to go with less committed statements like "BW NEVER fought WS".

Here's the clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDOTTd4PxwE

I thought you were referring to a scene where they actually fought (both throwing attacks and both defending). She hit him a few times. He didn't throw a punch. She tried that stupid leg grab. To me thats not fighting. Do you think she would fair well in a regular h2h fight where she don't do that silly leg grab? Just skills of attacking and defending.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Nice side step. You know it's ok to admit you were wrong.

Also pretty sure BW and Agent 13 will land a few blows on Ozy, and it will depend on how he takes those blows. I think Ozy is too careful and meticulous to allow BW to ride his shoulders and rain down elbow after elbow on this head, but I also don't see him powering through it like WS did.

What??? You don't think he could've powered out of that move? LMAO. He would've easily powered out of that move with utter ease. What's worse, and the point, he would've never got caught in such a noob move. As he was doing a monologue to them, he would've caught her attempt and tossed her away. To even think he could've power out of that is plain hilarious to me. He couldn't slam her to the ground and start choking her? WUT?? lol

Me admit when I'm wrong, HAHA, coming from you that is rich. Pot, meet kettle. You never admit you're wrong, shoot, you don't even admit you say things, when you clearly have. I thought you meant he wouldn't get hit. I thought you were implying that.

Originally posted by h1a8
I thought you were referring to a scene where they actually fought (both throwing attacks and both defending). She hit him a few times. He didn't throw a punch. She tried that stupid leg grab. To me thats not fighting. Do you think she would fair well in a regular h2h fight where she don't do that silly leg grab? Just skills of attacking and defending.

You know, you've been saying a lot of silly stuff lately, but this has got to take the cake. Kneeing someone in the chest, elbowing them in a groin, trying to do a leg throw then elbowing them on the head is not fighting??? SEriously???

I've got news for you pal, wrestling and grappling ARE forms of fighting. What, you think an actual fight looks like a Tekken Video game?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What??? You don't think he could've powered out of that move? LMAO. He would've easily powered out of that move with utter ease. What's worse, and the point, he would've never got caught in such a noob move. As he was doing a monologue to them, he would've caught her attempt and tossed her away. To even think he could've power out of that is plain hilarious to me. He couldn't slam her to the ground and start choking her? WUT?? lol

Me admit when I'm wrong, HAHA, coming from you that is rich. Pot, meet kettle. You never admit you're wrong, shoot, you don't even admit you say things, when you clearly have. I thought you meant he wouldn't get hit. I thought you were implying that.

So you're still not going to admit that you got caught in a lie?

Got caught in a lie LOL. yeah buddy. Let's see genius, if they landed, what 6 blows on WS... and you say they wouldn't land as much... What does that mean? It could mean next to nothing. It could mean 1 blow it could mean 2. Further, Ozy would've never been caught in such a noob move as WS was caught in (which stands to reason as he's piss poor skill wise compared to ozy) So that would eliminate 3 or 4 blows right there. You can't honestly believe he would've been caught in that move lol. So if we eliminate those 4 strikes... we're left with 2 from Agent 13.. REALLY she's going to land something on Ozy LMAO. Yeah buddy... sure she will. So I'll ask again since you're claiming they won't land zero and will in fact land. HOW MANY?

Originally posted by FrothByte
You know, you've been saying a lot of silly stuff lately, but this has got to take the cake. Kneeing someone in the chest, elbowing them in a groin, trying to do a leg throw then elbowing them on the head is not fighting??? SEriously???

I've got news for you pal, wrestling and grappling ARE forms of fighting. What, you think an actual fight looks like a Tekken Video game?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Got caught in a lie LOL. yeah buddy. Let's see genius, if they landed, what 6 blows on WS... and you say they wouldn't land as much... What does that mean? It could mean next to nothing. It could mean 1 blow it could mean 2. Further, Ozy would've never been caught in such a noob move as WS was caught in (which stands to reason as he's piss poor skill wise compared to ozy) So that would eliminate 3 or 4 blows right there. You can't honestly believe he would've been caught in that move lol. So if we eliminate those 4 strikes... we're left with 2 from Agent 13.. REALLY she's going to land something on Ozy LMAO. Yeah buddy... sure she will. So I'll ask again since you're claiming they won't land zero and will in fact land. HOW MANY?

See how much you sidestep and derail the issue? Still can't admit that you were caught lying about why I said.

You keep obsessing with this, and it's pretty sad. Yes I thought that is what you were implying. You said you're not. Okay, then how many blows would you say they land then?

kt is trying to bury the thread in useless details, because he doesn't want to admit that WS wins.

Ozy wins, and frankly, it won't be all that hard.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You keep obsessing with this, and it's pretty sad. Yes I thought that is what you were implying. You said you're not. Okay, then how many blows would you say they land then?

I obsess with this because it is not the first time this happened. In fact, you do it every few posts. You take what someone said, change it's meaning to suit you, then act like it's fact that the other user said it that way.

So it's useless to debate with you if you have no integrity. Because whatever points someone else raises you'll simply change what they said, lie about the meaning, and convince yourself you're actually winning. Just look at how many posts it took before you actually admitted that you were mistaken.

Kiddo, don't talk to be about integrity at all, you have no grounds to stand on. You've BLATANTLY lied NUMEROUS times in the past. On THREE separate occasions I said you said something, you called me a liar and said you didn't. I said Froth, don't be like this, you know you did just admit it. You call me a liar again, and I say fine I'll quote you. I quote you saying exactly as you did... and what do you do? You go, oh I guess I did, but I changed my mind. That along with your numerous displays of blatant buffoonery and illogical stances make it hard for me, not the other way around sport.

if you deny the above happened, we can place a wager on whether it did or not. I'll quote you admitting you did in fact say that, but said you now changed your mind. Doesn't cut it. I didn't ask you if you changed your mind, I asked you if you said this. You deny it for pages. If you truly had changed your mind, the correct answer would be, Yes I did say that, but I've not changed my mind. NOT, I never said that at all. Thanks for the laugh though seeing you talk about integrity froth

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Ozy wins, and frankly, it won't be all that hard.

I believe you mean "kt: Ozy wins because he makes me hard".

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Kiddo, don't talk to be about integrity at all, you have no grounds to stand on. You've BLATANTLY lied NUMEROUS times in the past. On THREE separate occasions I said you said something, you called me a liar and said you didn't.

And that right there is another lie. See? You just proved me right. Every time I ask a quote from you you never put one up. Or if you do you post something that's completely different from what you claimed it to be.

But sure I'll give you a chance to prove yourself right. Post these comments where you caught me in a lie. Go ahead. Show me proof. Or are you going to run your mouth again without the ability to back it up?

Changing your mind in a debate is not called lying. That's called changing your mind. In fact, that's what we want in these debates, to convince the opposing faction to change their minds.

Lying is when you specifically insist something is true despite it being false. Learn the difference.

And yes, I completely deny your allegations. Feel free to prove me wrong. Do you want me to post proof of your lies as well?

Hell to the no, I'm not going to waste my time finding these quotes for nothing unless there is something involved for it. In fact, in some of the quotes I could reference I SPECIFICALLY note that this is the last time I'm going to go back and quote something you KNOW you said. Now you're asking to go find these quotes again LOL.

Again it's lying. The lying doesn't come in because you changed your argument clownshoes. IS English your first language? Never said that. The LYING comes in when I specifically say you said something.. and you DENY that you said that. I don't care if you change your mind, in fact, I said the correct answer would be... Yes I did say that, but I've now changed my opinion. You're right, changing your mind isn't a bad thing, but denying you said something you did, is lying.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Hell to the no, I'm not going to waste my time finding these quotes for nothing unless there is something involved for it. In fact, in some of the quotes I could reference I SPECIFICALLY note that this is the last time I'm going to go back and quote something you KNOW you said. Now you're asking to go find these quotes again LOL.

Again it's lying. The lying doesn't come in because you changed your argument clownshoes. IS English your first language? Never said that. The LYING comes in when I specifically say you said something.. and you DENY that you said that. I don't care if you change your mind, in fact, I said the correct answer would be... Yes I did say that, but I've now changed my opinion. You're right, changing your mind isn't a bad thing, but denying you said something you did, is lying.

And there it is again. All talk, no proof. You accuse me of lying and provide no proof. I provide actual proof of you lying and you derail the discussion to avoid the topic.

So would you care to make a wager then... I'll quote you saying you were wrong and did say something you denied saying... and your excuse was... you changed your mind? Does that sound right and like a bet to you?

Nice avoidance of your point about how that isn't lying... when in fact it is lying. Changing your mind is irrelevant to the discussion. So I'm glad you dropped that point.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So would you care to make a wager then... I'll quote you saying you were wrong and did say something you denied saying... and your excuse was... you changed your mind? Does that sound right and like a bet to you?

Nice avoidance of your point about how that isn't lying... when in fact it is lying. Changing your mind is irrelevant to the discussion. So I'm glad you dropped that point.

So you want me to make a bet where you prove that I change my mind?
Pretty sure you're pushing that point because that's the only one you can accuse me of. And no, changing one's mind is not lying. No matter how much you throw a tantrum.

Because I can post proof where you actually changed someone's text to match your stance and then claim it true. Bet you can't match that.

So English isn't your first language then? No what you did IS lying and blatantly so. Changing your mind is irrelevant, and not what constitutes lying clownshoes. Where the lying DOES come in, is when you DENY saying you said something... even after I repeatedly ask you to be honest and admit you said something. Goes on for pages and pages. I then say fine, since you're a child about it, I'll go ahead and quote you saying it. I quote you saying EXACTLY what you claimed you didn't say. THEN you go, oh, well I guess it did say that but that no longer applies.. I've changed my mind now. Changing the mind isn't where the lying takes places. It's DENYING you said something you very clearly did. I don't care if you have changed your mind since then... but don't tell me you never said something and took a stance when you in fact DID. That is the issue here.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Ozy wins, and frankly, it won't be all that hard.