Ozymandias vs. Winter Soldier (h2h)

Started by Silent Master150 pages

WS wins.

Originally posted by h1a8
Because didn't fight him. She jumped on his back and tried to strangle him. How would she have faired if they fought h2h?
Its not who you fight but what skill you show.

I don't recall the showing. But I'm mostly referring to durability. Rorschach did do some super human strength feats though.

Anyway, a low showing doesn't make a high showing disappear. If a character has superhuman feats then they are superhuman in ability.

His suit is bulletproof. That's more durable than WS. But it doesn't matter as Ozy will not get hit.

Watch Civil War. Black Widow did try to fight WS. Unless of course you haven't watched Civil war, in which case everything now makes sense.

What, you're just going to turn a blind eye to the fact that Rosch was overpowered by cops because it negates your argument? A feat is a feat.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Watch Civil War. Black Widow did try to fight WS. Unless of course you haven't watched Civil war, in which case everything now makes sense.

What, you're just going to turn a blind eye to the fact that Rosch was overpowered by cops because it negates your argument? A feat is a feat.

Because didn't fight him. She jumped on his back. That's not indicate what would have happened if they fought on the ground Mano a Mano.

Overpowered by cops doesn't take away his superhuman feats. I don't even know what you are talking about tbh with the overpowered by cops statement. Post the scene.

Originally posted by Silent Master
WS wins.
He won't touch Ozy. Ozy will school him and beat him easily. I'm convinced he can beat both Cap and WS simultaneously. Bullet reaction ability and great hand speed and superb skill will get the job done.

Originally posted by h1a8
Because didn't fight him. She jumped on his back. That's not indicate what would have happened if they fought on the ground Mano a Mano.

Overpowered by cops doesn't take away his superhuman feats. I don't even know what you are talking about tbh with the overpowered by cops statement. Post the scene.

Your speculation isn't evidence.

Originally posted by h1a8
He won't touch Ozy. Ozy will school him and beat him easily. I'm convinced he can beat both Cap and WS simultaneously. Bullet reaction ability and great hand speed and superb skill will get the job done.

Your bias and speculation aren't proof.

Originally posted by h1a8
Because didn't fight him. She jumped on his back. That's not indicate what would have happened if they fought on the ground Mano a Mano.

Overpowered by cops doesn't take away his superhuman feats. I don't even know what you are talking about tbh with the overpowered by cops statement. Post the scene.

Apparently elbowing you in your groin and elbowing you reoeatedly on your forehead is not fighting.

You. Are. Absolutely. Delusional.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I didn't say he was untouched by their attacks. I said he plowed through them. He tanked their attacks, even a groin shot, and just decimated them. Let me ask you, do you think Ozy could have taken a groin shot and not even slow down?

I think Ozy would have probably taken less hits but would also have taken a lot longer to take out BW and Agent 13. He doesn't have the knockout power that WS has. He certainly won't "plow" through them like WS did.

Of course, that's assuming he can keep fighting after a groin shot.

WUT??? You can't be serious here. Taken a lot longer to take them out? This has to be a joke right? Somebody that can kick a grown man, lying on the ground, over 10 feet, certainly has enough striking power to "plow" through them with ease. Somebody who's strong enough to toss somebody further than WS ever has, yeah I'd say he can "plow" through them. Of course I think he can take a groin shot. He took, what, 6 or 7 unanswered blows by somebody who was taking out huge strong dudes in one hit. Who was breaking bones with hits. He took multiple shots from him and didn't even budge or show pain. Yeah, I'd say he'd be just fine. At least you were honest in that they would've land a thing. So really, we wouldn't have to worry about a groin shot he could take anyways. He'd simply outskill them better than WS did.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
At least you were honest in that they would've land a thing. So really, we wouldn't have to worry about a groin shot he could take anyways. He'd simply outskill them better than WS did.

I assume you meant to type "wouldn't land a thing", in which case I caught you in a lie again. I never said they wouldn't have landed a hit. Please quote me where I said that.

So you think they'd actually land something? How many blows then?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So you think they'd actually land something? How many blows then?
You continue to backtrack. You're bad at this.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So you think they'd actually land something? How many blows then?

Nice side step. You know it's ok to admit you were wrong.

Also pretty sure BW and Agent 13 will land a few blows on Ozy, and it will depend on how he takes those blows. I think Ozy is too careful and meticulous to allow BW to ride his shoulders and rain down elbow after elbow on this head, but I also don't see him powering through it like WS did.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Apparently elbowing you in your groin and elbowing you reoeatedly on your forehead is not fighting.

You. Are. Absolutely. Delusional.

I saw civil war. I don't remember everything. I don't have perfect recall. So please either post the scene or the time stamp. Then I'll judge from there.

There seems to be a lot that you don't remember when it involves characters you're arguing against.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Your bias and speculation aren't proof.

Being a bullet timer proves He won't get hit. He will easily see his attacks moving in slow motion. He can block and dodge without even looking at WS. He can fight WS with his back turned. Easy fight.

You are basically throwing out the bullet feat like it never happened.

Originally posted by Silent Master
There seems to be a lot that you don't remember when it involves characters you're arguing against.
I disagree. I still don't remember BW fighting Bucky straight up.

Originally posted by h1a8
Being a bullet timer proves He won't get hit. He will easily see his attacks moving in slow motion. He can block and dodge without even looking at WS. He can fight WS with his back turned. Easy fight.

You are basically throwing out the bullet feat like it never happened.

Prove that he fights at bullet-time speed.

Originally posted by h1a8
I saw civil war. I don't remember everything. I don't have perfect recall. So please either post the scene or the time stamp. Then I'll judge from there.

It's perfectly fine to not remember everything in a movie, but if your memory wasn't that good of a particular movie, you might have wanted to go with less committed statements like "BW NEVER fought WS".

Here's the clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDOTTd4PxwE

Originally posted by Silent Master
Prove that he fights at bullet-time speed.

He sees at bullet time. He can move at any speed he likes up to bullet speed. He doesn't have to fight at bullet speed. He can fight at a fraction of it and still be faster.

IOW, you can't prove that Ozy fights at bullet-time.