Ozymandias vs. Winter Soldier (h2h)

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You can't be this stupid, well, maybe you can be. Your analogy is awful and doesn't even apply. If I call something I know is a pebble, gold, then yes that would be a lie. For example, if I said I'll give an example by quoting you... then didn't... then that would be a lie. If I said I'm going to give a "proper froth example" and then didn't.. then you'd have something. However, I did NONE of those things. I SIMPLY and with ANY ambiguity said.. I gave an example. Which I UNQUESTIONABLY did. It doesn't matter if you think it was a good one or a proper one... I never said any such thing. I simply said, I gave an example, nothing more nothing less. Do you know what the word lie means.. or should I define it for you?

Ok, let's say you're telling the truth. You gave an example to what exactly?

Originally posted by FrothByte
How do you know Ozy was able to see the bullet in slow motion?

Originally posted by Inhuman
Again, you do know Ozy didnt see anything in slow motion. This has been explained to you a few times.
That bullet catching feat was a one time thing that many things had to fall in place for him to accomplish it.
It was anticipated and he pretty much calculated everything, from his reaction to when Silk was going to pull the trigger etc.
It is not something he would be able to replicate at will, and certainly not in a fight.
How do we know this? Because we have several of his fights as proof and Ozy was not moving anywhere near bullet time speeds.

Its time stop using the bullet feat as a clutch and adding implied or assumed opinions because of it. Because him using it in combat is just a fantasy with no bearing.

You can't catch a bullet unless you see it in slow motion. Anything else then you are making stuff up that the writer wasn't trying to portray. That's a form of trolling.

Ozy doesn't need fight at the speed of a bullet to block or dodge an attack far slower than a bullet, he just needs to perceive at bullet speed.

Originally posted by h1a8
You can't catch a bullet unless you see it in slow motion. Anything else then you are making stuff up that the writer wasn't trying to portray. That's a form of trolling.

Ozy doesn't need fight at the speed of a bullet to block or dodge an attack far slower than a bullet, he just needs to perceive at bullet speed.

There are normal humans in the real world that have caught arrows. You seriously think they see the arrow in slow motion?
Its all anticipated and calculated.
You think Baseball players see 100 mile per hour fast balls in slow motion when they hit the ball?

The Ozy sees in slow motion theory is nonsense.

I never saw Ozy as having that heightened of a perception-level. Like he was on or even above Spider-man's level.

I read that scene as Ozy seeing the gun, reading Lori's facial expressions of when she would fire, deducing where the bullet would likely go and using his incredible speed/reflexes to move his hand up in time to intercept.

Edit: Even in the comic where the feat was superior I don't think Ozy saw the bullet, but it's been years since I read it

Originally posted by Inhuman
There are normal humans in the real world that have caught arrows. You seriously think they see the arrow in slow motion?
Its all anticipated and calculated.
You think Baseball players see 100 mile per hour fast balls in slow motion when they hit the ball?

The Ozy sees in slow motion theory is nonsense.

Key differences being:

A bullet is much faster
People catching arrows are standing further away then Ozy was
They also aren't raising their hand to catch it after it was shot... they have prepped for it. Ozy didn't know that was going to happen... nor had he practiced that. He just did it.

So yes, if you can move your arm fast enough to catch a bullet, and only start moving your arm after it was fired at close range. You can call it seeing things in slow motion or call it whenever you want... He would have no issue reacting fast enough to block a punch and multiple punch. There can be no other logical conclusion

Originally posted by h1a8
Because he caught it out of the air after it was shot.

I can catch a tennis ball hit my way. That doesn't mean I see it in slow motion. I can dodge a punch (sometimes) even if it's lightning fast as long as the person telegraphs the hit. That doesn't mean I see it in slow motion.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I can catch a tennis ball hit my way. That doesn't mean I see it in slow motion. I can dodge a punch (sometimes) even if it's lightning fast as long as the person telegraphs the hit. That doesn't mean I see it in slow motion.

Slow motion means significantly slower than the average human.
A 60mph fastball was once a blur to me, now it's a floating slow lob ball. I perceive it now (that I'm a near professional)much slower than what I used to. So people have different perceptions. The speed in which the neurons fire give perception speed. The faster they fire then the slower time appears.

Originally posted by h1a8
Slow motion means significantly slower than the average human.
A 60mph fastball was once a blur to me, now it's a floating slow lob ball. I perceive it now (that I'm a near professional)much slower than what I used to. So people have different perceptions. The speed in which the neurons fire give perception speed. The faster they fire then the slower time appears.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Key differences being:

A bullet is much faster
People catching arrows are standing further away then Ozy was
They also aren't raising their hand to catch it after it was shot... they have prepped for it. Ozy didn't know that was going to happen... nor had he practiced that. He just did it.

So yes, if you can move your arm fast enough to catch a bullet, and only start moving your arm after it was fired at close range. You can call it seeing things in slow motion or call it whenever you want... He would have no issue reacting fast enough to block a punch and multiple punch. There can be no other logical conclusion

Again, I can point out WS bullet dodging or blocking feats to counter.
WS feats featured faster flying bullets and during combat with almost no time to properly calculate and anticipate.
And again the point is that the speed difference isn't gigantic. And it should not be used as an auto-win for one or the other.

Also lol @H1 hinting at him seeing in slomo

Originally posted by h1a8

A 60mph fastball was once a blur to me, now it's a floating slow lob ball. I perceive it now (that I'm a near professional)much slower than what I used to.

Talk to me again once you wake up.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Talk to me again once you wake up.

from his dream right?? 😆 😆

Like I said, h1 just makes things up and calls them facts.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
from his dream right?? 😆 😆

Where he can apparently see a 60mph fast ball traveling at slow mo.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
from his dream right?? 😆 😆

😂

Originally posted by Robtard
I never saw Ozy as having that heightened of a perception-level. Like he was on or even above Spider-man's level.

I read that scene as Ozy seeing the gun, reading Lori's facial expressions of when she would fire, deducing where the bullet would likely go and using his incredible speed/reflexes to move his hand up in time to intercept.

Edit: Even in the comic where the feat was superior I don't think Ozy saw the bullet, but it's been years since I read it

Anyway, a bullet hits its target in a about 0.001 of a second from a few feet away. To have this type of timing you have to have millisecond reactions. Reacting a millisecond later will result in missing the bullet. Having millisecond reaction times is equivalent to perceiving a bullet through the air.

Originally posted by h1a8
He was doing Spider-Man matrix style action earlier in the movie

LOL!!!!!!!!!

Further proof that h1 is just messing with people.

Originally posted by Silent Master
LOL!!!!!!!!!

Further proof that h1 is just messing with people.

I'm serious. Watch the movie

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm serious. Watch the movie

I own the movie, which is why I find your comment so funny.

Originally posted by h1a8
He was doing Spider-Man matrix style action earlier in the movie when a gunman was shooting everyone in sight. The camera slowed down to show us his perceptions. The camera showed his eyes in fast motion while everything was moving in slow motion. Similar to how Toby McGuire Parker saw things when Flash punched right pass him. Ozy casually weaved through the gun fire until he made it to the gunman.

Anyway, a bullet hits its target in a about 0.001 of a second from a few feet away. To have this type of timing you have to have millisecond reactions. Reacting a millisecond later will result in missing the bullet. Having millisecond reaction times is equivalent to perceiving a bullet through the air.

I've seen that movie several times, as it's one of my favorite superhero flicks and I just watched the scene again, the slow-mo starts right about when the assassin drops the box and Ozy is also moving is slower motion, it seems the entire scene was filmed in slow-mo so we could see what's happening and for effect, as it's only about 20 seconds (shots fired to Ozy's attack), then it goes back to real-time for everyone right as Ozy picks up the pole and attacks.

It looks like he stayed ahead of the gunman's aim and used other people as meat-shields; while impressive, I did not see it as being the same as Peter Parker's high school scene in SM1.

I guess everyone in a Snyder movie sees things in slo-mo because Snyder always uses that slo-mo effect in every action scene he's every shot.
Also they are all super human too apparently 😬

Syder doesn't use that slow motion effect to show how the character sees the world lol.
He does that shit for every character.