Originally posted by KingD19
Serious question, KT. If Ozy couldn't keep down or ko an old, past his prime, drunk off his ass Comedian, Rorscharch, or Nite-Owl(all three impressive, but still regular humans), how is he gonna do it to Bucky?Seriously, when he fought those two, they were just fine once the fight was over. They weren't even nursing their wounds.
He wasn't trying to put them down RO and Nite-Owl right away... he was toying with them. Playing with them. Do you think somebody who is laughing, smirking, joking around, turning his back is going all out? Of course not, he was barely trying.
Yet still barely trying, he was performing striking feats, throwing feats, reactions feats, and jumping feats that can match a BLOODLUSTED WS or surpass him. So, my question to you is, how can Ozy easily perform comparable feats or superior ones while barely seemingly try... and yet somehow you think WS has the advantage here? That's mindboggling to me. Another question... which shows superiority
1. Performing feats while joking and laughing and turning your back
2. Performing the same feats but bloodlusted
Which is superior?
Originally posted by Inhuman
Another thing to the people clinging on the "bullet catch feat" Like that gives Ozy an auto win. (even though it has been explained how it was an anticipated feat that cant be done continuously.), lets take a look at another scenario to see how ridiculous this is.This is the same kind of nonsense as for me to claim in every Thor thread , that every Thor hammer strike is a charged city buster strike.
No questions asked , no if's and's or but's. EVERY hammer strike is a a city buster.This is how dumb Ozy being able to move at those speeds at will sounds.
Incorrect, you've shown nothing but nah.. I don't like is... moving the goalposts and plain not using logic.
You simply can't get over the analogy of if Cap can lift a motorcycle... he should be able to lift scooter. Just because we don't see him lift a scooter is irrelevant. He should have no issue doing so. You can come up with all the excuses you want (like you've trying to do with Ozy feat) about how they are shaped differently.. different leverage etc etc. The reality is though, if he can lift a heavier object, he should be able to lift a lighter one. Period. Same thing here. If you can move your arm that fast, and mean so fast Bucky should punch 50 times and it still wouldn't be as fast. That's being generous 2. You keep acting like anticipation has anything to do with the speed here. Put it this way
He could've positioned SS exactly where he wanted her to stand. Get his distance just so. Work out exactly where she's going to shoot before she shots so he knows EXACTLY where it is going. Yet, even then, if his hand is at his side...and he's still fast enough to raise his arm into position AFTER the bullet is fired... The speed there had nothing to do with anticipation. It simply poops, literally poops on anything WS ever done. It's exponentially faster than any feat WS has ever done, and by A LOT. That is why it's hilarious to see you make these claims, like him anticipating or not, takes away from the speed needed in order to pull that off. It doesn't. Do you understand how fast you'd need to react to be able to move your arm that fast. Yet you think he'll have any issue dodging punches coming like a snail in comparison? Explain that logic to me?
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
If Ozy was that fast, why didn't he just dodge the bullet and blitz the shit out of them?
Because it's Ozy, that he what he does. He delays the inevitable every time. Like his fight with the Comedian, he had already moved so fast a decorated bad ass military dude couldn't track him. So fast he took the gun from him. Why not just shoot him then? Why not, after you catch a knife through why not throw it back to go attack him with it. Instead he decides to let go of the knife and challenge comedian directly h2h when comedian had already gotten another knife. Why do that? Its' Ozy, tha is what he does, takes on challenges to test himself. Yet again, he dodges all the knife strikes, disarms him, and again doesn't kill him then. You're not seeing a pattern here? Same with N.O and RO fight... again talking... joking around... like he's in a stroll I the park walking his dog. Hardly somebody trying to go for the kill or push his advantage. It was the exact opposite.
In the very comic he makes it clear he wanted to see if he could pull it off. So why wouldn't it be true in the movie? What looks cooler... Dodging bullets and blitzing your foe like in the assassination scene.. or catching a fing bullet from 5 feet away. He already proved he could dodge bullets and disarm his foe. No need to do so again.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Because it's Ozy, that he what he does.
You know that's really crappy reasoning right? Because I can just say the same for WS, that the only reason non-enhanced humans were even able to land any hits on him is simply because "It's Winter Soldier. That's what he does. He doesn't take much effort to evade blows from humans because he knows he's tough enough to take them".
Originally posted by FrothByteKt isn't smart and doesn't realize his awful debating can be spun right around back on him.
You know that's really crappy reasoning right? Because I can just say the same for WS, that the only reason non-enhanced humans were even able to land any hits on him is simply because "It's Winter Soldier. That's what he does. He doesn't take much effort to evade blows from humans because he knows he's tough enough to take them".
Originally posted by FrothByte
You know that's really crappy reasoning right? Because I can just say the same for WS, that the only reason non-enhanced humans were even able to land any hits on him is simply because "It's Winter Soldier. That's what he does. He doesn't take much effort to evade blows from humans because he knows he's tough enough to take them".
Huh? This made absolutely zero sense. Somebody was making the claim that Ozy couldn't put people down and keep them down. I illustrated and 100% factual, that this is how Ozy acts in all his fights. N.O., RO, Comedian etc etc He plays with them, toys with them, laughs at them, doesn't press advantages. Engages people in a knife fight without one himself, even though he just had one and threw it away. He's that good, that he can challenge himself to react fast enough to catch a bullet.
Huge difference is, everybody that fights WS gets blows landed on him. Everybody. He's simply a brute more the most part with meh level skill compared to the elite. When he's bloodlusted he's going for the kill.... he's not messing around. Yet he's still getting blows landed on him by everybody. Yet, we know he doesn't just do that to do that, as he's also shown blocking blows. Clearly indicating he doesn't just want to get it, he tries to avoid being hit, problem is, he's just not as skilled as Ozy in h2h combat. WS while bloodlusted and rampaging takes hits and blows. Ozy acting like he's taking his puppy for a stroll in the park never gets hit, once in all his fights, all the while performing feats comparable to WS and exceeding him. How on God's Green Earth does that equal WS being superior. What sort of clownshoes assbackwards logic is this. Which looks superior Froth?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Huh? This made absolutely zero sense. Somebody was making the claim that Ozy couldn't put people down and keep them down. I illustrated and 100% factual, that this is how Ozy acts in all his fights. N.O., RO, Comedian etc etc He plays with them, toys with them, laughs at them, doesn't press advantages. Engages people in a knife fight without one himself, even though he just had one and threw it away. He's that good, that he can challenge himself to react fast enough to catch a bullet.Huge difference is, everybody that fights WS gets blows landed on him. Everybody. He's simply a brute more the most part with meh level skill compared to the elite. When he's bloodlusted he's going for the kill.... he's not messing around. Yet he's still getting blows landed on him by everybody. Yet, we know he doesn't just do that to do that, as he's also shown blocking blows. Clearly indicating he doesn't just want to get it, he tries to avoid being hit, problem is, he's just not as skilled as Ozy in h2h combat. WS while bloodlusted and rampaging takes hits and blows. Ozy acting like he's taking his puppy for a stroll in the park never gets hit, once in all his fights, all the while performing feats comparable to WS and exceeding him. How on God's Green Earth does that equal WS being superior. What sort of clownshoes assbackwards logic is this. Which looks superior Froth?
So by claiming everybody lands blows on WS... I guess you completely skipped over all the SHIELD agents and policemen that never landed a hit on him eh?
Also, there's no proof that Ozy was playing with Comedian. Yeah he threw away the knife, but that's probably more due to the fact that he wanted to fight h2h. Doesn't mean that he was pulling his punches.
You still don't have proof that he has enough power to KO his opponents though.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Because it's Ozy, that he what he does. He delays the inevitable every time. Like his fight with the Comedian, he had already moved so fast a decorated bad ass military dude couldn't track him. So fast he took the gun from him. Why not just shoot him then? Why not, after you catch a knife through why not throw it back to go attack him with it. Instead he decides to let go of the knife and challenge comedian directly h2h when comedian had already gotten another knife. Why do that? Its' Ozy, tha is what he does, takes on challenges to test himself. Yet again, he dodges all the knife strikes, disarms him, and again doesn't kill him then. You're not seeing a pattern here? Same with N.O and RO fight... again talking... joking around... like he's in a stroll I the park walking his dog. Hardly somebody trying to go for the kill or push his advantage. It was the exact opposite.In the very comic he makes it clear he wanted to see if he could pull it off. So why wouldn't it be true in the movie? What looks cooler... Dodging bullets and blitzing your foe like in the assassination scene.. or catching a fing bullet from 5 feet away. He already proved he could dodge bullets and disarm his foe. No need to do so again.
PREACH... Ozy didn't dismantle them WORSE than what he did simply because he's a badass genius.
If ozy can intercept a bullet he most definitely can intercept a ****ing fist... hell he could do that with two men if he wanted... wait... he did
Originally posted by FrothByteKt just claims things and speaks in unproven generalities. He's the worst.
So by claiming everybody lands blows on WS... I guess you completely skipped over all the SHIELD agents and policemen that never landed a hit on him eh?Also, there's no proof that Ozy was playing with Comedian. Yeah he threw away the knife, but that's probably more due to the fact that he wanted to fight h2h. Doesn't mean that he was pulling his punches.
You still don't have proof that he has enough power to KO his opponents though.
Originally posted by FrothByte
So by claiming everybody lands blows on WS... I guess you completely skipped over all the SHIELD agents and policemen that never landed a hit on him eh?Also, there's no proof that Ozy was playing with Comedian. Yeah he threw away the knife, but that's probably more due to the fact that he wanted to fight h2h. Doesn't mean that he was pulling his punches.
You still don't have proof that he has enough power to KO his opponents though.
He kod ROR after throwing him like 13 feet into a pillar did you not notice?
Originally posted by FrothByte
So by claiming everybody lands blows on WS... I guess you completely skipped over all the SHIELD agents and policemen that never landed a hit on him eh?Also, there's no proof that Ozy was playing with Comedian. Yeah he threw away the knife, but that's probably more due to the fact that he wanted to fight h2h. Doesn't mean that he was pulling his punches.
You still don't have proof that he has enough power to KO his opponents though.
You didn't answer my question, again. Which looks more superior Froth? It's a simple question and you know the answer.
You didn't notice the guys you SAY got put down by WS weren't KO'd right? Did you notice them squirming on the ground in pain? Then WS leaves. HMMMMMMMm. Ozy has the same results, guys on the ground stunned and not getting up to attack him right away. Difference is, Ozy wasn't trying to run away, he wanted to play with them... chat with them.... have a laugh. If he wouldn't been trying to escape and leave like WS, he could've just left after any number of those blows and it would've been the same result.
Plus the huge Elephant in the room is, those guys are VASTLY superior in almost everyway to policeman. Shield agents meh, Ozy would deal with them with even greater ease. Point is, RO, and NO have confirmed Superhuman durability. Policeman and shield agents not so much.
You have zero way to claim Ozy can't KO someone, when he's regularly performing comparable striking and throwing feats against people. He's hitting them further in most cases. Yet somehow he doesn't have the power, but somehow who has lesser feats does? Are we entering full clownshoes mode Froth?