Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
All of this points to what we already know ozy can catch bullets from 6ft away... and buck cant punch faster than a bullet 😬
He can catch 1 bullet and be left open afterwards.
Bucky doesnt need to punch faster than a bullet. Yeah Bucky would get a few of his punches blocked but after a while land some hits on Ozy or start to break Ozy's arms from blows that he is blocking.
Originally posted by FrothByte
So? A bullet travels in a straight trajectory. Bucky can punch, kick and grapple from multiple angles and can even change his blows in mid throw.Unless you're claiming that Ozy is a speedster that can always move his body at bullet-speeds. Is that what you're claiming?
No...my point is bucky cannot match the speed of an incoming bullet from six foot away.
If he can move his eyes and hands fast enough to snatch a bullet out of the air let alone perceive it. He can easily deflect and slip bucks fastest punches... because in hus eyes they'd be crawling at him
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
All of this points to what we already know ozy can catch bullets from 6ft away... and buck cant punch faster than a bullet 😬
In bullet catching VS threads, I would certainly put my money on Ozy, yes.
And Buck was never seen to punch at 640mph. Certainly, I will agree with that, too.
Not sure how you think this all translates into an actual fight, tho. Is Ozy going to be cathing WS's punches?
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
No...my point is bucky cannot match the speed of an incoming bullet from six foot away.If he can move his eyes and hands fast enough to snatch a bullet out of the air let alone perceive it. He can easily deflect and slip bucks fastest punches... because in hus eyes they'd be crawling at him
Woah now, hold the phone. Where was it ever indicated in the movie that Ozy can percieve things in slo mo?
Originally posted by Inhuman
He can catch [b]1 bullet and be left open afterwards.
Bucky doesnt need to punch faster than a bullet. Yeah Bucky would get a few of his punches blocked but after a while land some hits on Ozy or start to break Ozy's arms from blows that he is blocking. [/B]
What sort of nonsense is this? You're making a faulty comparison, and frankly, it's not a good example. A punch is not analogous with a gun. There are different in so many ways it's hilarious. So your comparison has already failed.
Further, doing something to deceive your foe again is not analogous to blocking punches. One was done to make the other drop their guard. Which is exactly what they did exactly how he planned. Just like in the comic. To say nothing of the above, which aren't comparable. He was clearly okay, he was smirking, I mean really? You like he was KO'd by that? lol
Then we are further left with that fact that when Ozy is engaging in h2h combat. He blocks punches, he doesn't magically fall down the stairs, smirk, drop your had for dramatic effect slowly. In every instance, when people engage him in h2h combat, he's blocking and countering with great skill and speed. The above is why I don't even understand why you're trying to push a non point. We are simply left with the above and there is no getting around these facts
Ozy is decisively faster in arm movement
Ozy is decisively smarter than Bucky, in fact, I'd even say exponentially. It's that wide a gap. Needless to say, being the smartest guy on the planet would certainly help you in any combat situation; especially when you have all of the feats and levels mentioned in this post
Ozy is decisively better at blocking punches in h2h combat
Ozy has decisively better perceptions and reactions that Bucky
Ozy has jumped further, both height and lengthy, appearing to have no running start
Ozy has very comparable feats of striking power, and in fact, superior feats of hitting people further.
Ozy has very comparable feats of throwing people, and again, I would argue slightly superior. Not by much if at all but even.
Ozy has clearly demonstrated more skill in h2h combat than Bucky. By this is mean, when you see somebody fight, in the movies or real life. When you see somebody casually, blocking peak human level skill people. People we've seen beat the crap out of people. If we ever in real life saw somebody smirking, laughing, joking around while fighting two badass dudes. We'd be like holy shit!!! That is the best display of skill I've ever seen. It wasn't flashy it wasn't OMG flips, it was just a casual stroll in the park. Yet sending these dudes flying, in such a casual state. That is what he did. They didn't land a single punch on him. Guys clearly some of the best of the best humanity had to offer in skill. Yet they were clowned.
how does that compare with mostly in the end winning against these elite skill level guys i.e. BW, Agent 13, IM out of his suit, Hawkeye etc etc. In movie after movie they landed blows on him or got the jump on him. Sure he won, but which looks better? I mean really, come on, we know the answer.
Now, all of the above points us to what? Ozy clearly has superhuman traits and characteristics. If we're calling Bucky superhuman, okay, well if somebody matches those feats and in some greatly exceeds, there can be no other name. It seems some of you, not all, some think Ozy isn't that level. I've seen people who think WS wins admit Ozy must be if Bucky is.
So now that we establish that, you'd have to believe that Bucky's arm would be too much for Ozy. Well that doesn't really work for me. Not only would Ozy be the faster in h2h combat, but he's also better blocker and counter puncher. Clearly so. So he's going to be landing more, and getting his considerably less. We've seen what his blows can do, he's sending him flying or back, there can be no other way. Thus the arm is already negated.
However, even then, it still might tire you down eventually, sure, you can't just keep blocking it all day. However, with Ozy clear striking power and speed advantage, I don't see that being much of an issue. Bucky has been put to sleep, Ozy hasn't. Further, we seen people like BW, IM out of his suit, hawkeye against BP (you know the story). They can all counter these guys in spots. Showing even regular humans can block the arm. Ozy is no regular human, nor is he as slow as them, they might as well be snails. I mean honestly, Bucky isn't the most skilled guy to begin with, how much is he really landing? On Ozy? Yeah not a lot.
These are the facts guys, and they are backed up on screen. You may not like them, and you make try and say Bucky has the slight advantage. But in the end, Ozy has decisively better things, and comparable ones. Very few he's inferior. Accept it, and set your soul free, or please response and tell me which points are wrong
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
No...my point is bucky cannot match the speed of an incoming bullet from six foot away.If he can move his eyes and hands fast enough to snatch a bullet out of the air let alone perceive it. He can easily deflect and slip bucks fastest punches... because in hus eyes they'd be crawling at him
Yes and 1 bullet also can't match the number of directions, angles and hits that Bucky is going to throw. Ozy caught 1 bullet and was incapacitated after. He is not some kind of bullet-timing speedster that easily evades multiple bullets and multiple attacks. Heck, he even needed to block Comedian's attacks which shows he isn't gast enough to dodge them all.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes and 1 bullet also can't match the number of directions, angles and hits that Bucky is going to throw. Ozy caught 1 bullet and was incapacitated after. He is not some kind of bullet-timing speedster that easily evades multiple bullets and multiple attacks. Heck, he even needed to block Comedian's attacks which shows he isn't gast enough to dodge them all.
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
In order to catch any object you'd have to be able to perceive it stupid. Otherwise you're trying to catch something with your eyes closed
Geez, you sure have a poor attitude towards ppl asking you questions. Teachers mean to you in grade school or something? I hear childhood trauma can sometimes emerge in adulthood (if you have reached that point, that is). If that is that case, sorry to hear it.
Anyway, don't be mad, bro. I'm just trying to get into the gist of your logic, so if you don't mind let's keep it polite and to-the-point?
Sooo you're saying ppl can't just anticipate things? That they need to be able to perceive it in order to react to it?
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Geez, you sure have a poor attitude towards ppl asking you questions. Teachers mean to you in grade school or something? I hear childhood trauma can sometimes emerge in adulthood (if you have reached that point, that is). If that is that case, sorry to hear it.Anyway, don't be mad, bro. I'm just trying to get into the gist of your logic, so if you don't mind let's keep it polite and to-the-point?
Sooo you're saying ppl can't just anticipate things? That they need to be able to perceive it in order to react to it?
But yes you need to actually be able to perceive things in order to catch it...
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
Some light humor won't kill you.But yes you need to actually be able to perceive things in order to catch it...
So, anticipation is out of the question?
And it only applies to catching? Dodging or deflecting isn't involved, correct?
So you're saying ALL Ozy can do to defend is catch?
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
😐
am i typing in a alien language?
Again, trying to get to the gist of your logic. So best to be perfectly clear about all things before proceeding.
To avoid misunderstandings. I'm sure you understand.
So again, pls answer the questions:
Originally posted by Nibedicus
So, anticipation is out of the question?And it only applies to catching? Dodging or deflecting isn't involved, correct?
So you're saying ALL Ozy can do to defend is catch?
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Again, trying to get to the gist of your logic. So best to be perfectly clear about all things before proceeding.To avoid misunderstandings. I'm sure you understand.
So again, pls answer the questions:
It's pretty cut and dry though... ozy can catch bullets fron six feet away. Catching the bullet would require you see the bullet. And that you be fast enough to intercept it before you're hit.
A slow ass fist would be childs play to a person who can see and catch incoming bullets...explaining why ozy is such a formidable fighter
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
It's pretty cut and dry though... ozy can catch bullets fron six feet away. Catching the bullet would require you see the bullet. And that you be fast enough to intercept it before you're hit.A slow ass fist would be childs play to a person who can see and catch incoming bullets...explaining why ozy is such a formidable fighter
Not the question(s), tho.
No need to be evasive. They're just basic questions.
If you need me to repeat the questions:
Originally posted by Nibedicus
So, anticipation is out of the question?And it only applies to catching? Dodging or deflecting isn't involved, correct?
So you're saying ALL Ozy can do to defend is catch?
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
Evasive? 😐You may neef to re work your question to the answer you seek?
The answers are yes/no. One would think that was very basic. Well, at least I thought it was. Anyway, sorry for the overcomplex wording.
Anyway, let me rework for your benefit:
Originally posted by Nibedicus
So, anticipation is out of the question? (yes/no)And it only applies to catching? Dodging or deflecting isn't involved, correct? (yes/no)
So you're saying ALL Ozy can do to defend is catch? (yes/no)
There? Better? Again, sorry for the confusion.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
The answers are yes/no. One would think that was very basic. Well, at least I thought it was. Anyway, sorry for the overcomplex wording.Anyway, let me rework for your benefit:
There? Better? Again, sorry for the confusion.
You seem to be reaching for something particular... express yourself