Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Nope that isn't good enough. You need to prove how those other areas make up for Ozy vastly superior arm movement. You've failed to do so, nor explain how that logic makes sense.Fact: The single most important component to determine speed of arm movement, is, well, the muscles in your arm. Specifically fast twitch muscles.
Now, you're claiming that Bucky can punch faster than Ozy, and your reasoning... wait for it... wait for it... Shoulder muscles, torso muscles and leg muscles. Do you realize how retarded that sounds? Those factors are so far less significant than arm muscles to determine the speed of a punch it's not even funny. As I said, and you admitted, those have more to do with power, technique and positioning. You said the same. So how can things not as important as arm muscles when determining arm speed, somehow make WS punch faster. You need to explain your ass backswards logic to me.
Wait, maybe this is the problem... Do you believe your shoulder muscles, back muscles, leg muscles are bigger factors in arm speed than your arm muscles? Please don't tell me that is your stance? lol
Sorry KT, but no one here is stupid enough to fall for your convoluted logic.
I don't need to prove anything to you because both their fight scenes already show that WS is a faster striker. Do you understand this basic concept? If I said the color of the sky is blue, you don't ask me to prove it because it is plain to see. It is plain to see for everyone that WS punches faster than Ozy. So if you want to make the claim that Ozy can punch faster than WS, burden of proof falls to you.
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
The problem with your theory is that neither a juggler or a drummer move their arm very far in better motions...you're not too bright are you?
And your point? KT never made any such claim that a minimal amount of movement was necessary. He simply asserted that moving your arm fast makes you a fast puncher. Or are you telling me that drummers and jugglers don't move their arms at all?
You still need to work on your insults. You sound like a gradeschool kid.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Sorry KT, but no one here is stupid enough to fall for your convoluted logic.I don't need to prove anything to you because both their fight scenes already show that WS is a faster striker. Do you understand this basic concept? If I said the color of the sky is blue, you don't ask me to prove it because it is plain to see. It is plain to see for everyone that WS punches faster than Ozy. So if you want to make the claim that Ozy can punch faster than WS, burden of proof falls to you.
This is where your blatantly dumb then. Ozy has already displayed VASTLY faster arm movement. We know that 90% of determining what goes into a punch is arm speed. Not shoulders, not legs, not torso. The muscles in your arm are the single most important factor in determining arm speed. Conclusively Ozy has moved his arm faster. Conclusively. Yet you're trying to tell me Bucky can MOVE HIS ARM FASTER BECAUSE HE'S PUNCHING LOL. Which is downright hilarious. If Ozy can move his arm faster, how can Bucky punch faster. Your answer:
His hips, his torso, his back, his legs LOL. Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? Those aren't even close to the same factors having to do with speed as arm movement. not even close.
I'm going to ask again, because you avoided the question. It's was your claim that there are more things that go into a punch than arm movement. Therefore, just because Ozy has been shown moving his arm faster, doesn't mean he can punch faster. Okay then, so it has to be your claim that these other areas (not even really related to speed lol) somehow overcome the massive arm movement advantage Ozy has. That is God awful logic. It's piss poor.
I've already corrected this line of thinking and you have no answer. If Beast can lift a car.. he can lift a scooter. you're claiming he can't lift the scooter because it's different and the weight is distributed differently. Umm no, if he can lift a car, he can lift a damn scooter. Same thing here.... If ozy can move his arm fast enough to catch at bullet with his arms at his side still when it was fired. Well then, he should easily be able to punch faster than bucky. His feat poops on anything Bucky showed. So even if he can't punch as fast as he caught the bullet, one thing is for certain, he can punch faster than Bucky.
Originally posted by FrothByte
And your point? KT never made any such claim that a minimal amount of movement was necessary. He simply asserted that moving your arm fast makes you a fast puncher. Or are you telling me that drummers and jugglers don't move their arms at all?You still need to work on your insults. You sound like a gradeschool kid.
Drummers only appear to be fast due to the fact they're only moving their hands back and forth in very shot movements punching would require much more exertion... but you knew that with your shoddy arguments
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Omega you really think WS can't land a hit on Ozy, like not even one single hit?Because of his bullet dodging feats?
You do realize all of those situations he had massive prep right? Meaning he prepped for every single situation.
Ozy only gets touched once he begins to tire and he'll tire long before WS.
After seeing ozy fights + his bullet catching feat throughout watchmen i just can't see WS landing consecutive hits on ozy. Let alone one
WS does not tire though. He has the serum, and a bionic arm that amplifies his strength one hundred fold. He was running faster then speeding cars and fighting along he way with zero evidence of him tiring. Ozy isn't nearly that fast. As soon as WS gets that arm on him its game over.
His bullet catching feat was a prepped feat with a Kevlar glove.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
WS does not tire though. He has the serum, and a bionic arm that amplifies his strength one hundred fold. He was running faster then speeding cars and fighting along he way with zero evidence of him tiring. Ozy isn't nearly that fast. As soon as WS gets that arm on him its game over.His bullet catching feat was a prepped feat with a Kevlar glove.
I just said ws won't tire also
Kevlar doesn't give you bullet catching reflexes also.
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
Yes WS was totally shredding Iron mans armor 😆
So prepping will give you bullet catching reflexes... how time how
If you prep for the speed of the bullet, yes.
Ozy stopped a god from seeing his plan, you dont think he can prep for a small caliber?
Also he was pulling Tony's reactor out.
This is a great fight. OP props for thinking of it.
Tough call. Winter Soldier should have him beat overall IMO. He's a super soldier, trained HYDRA assassin with a tough, metal arm. Ozy's feats physically don't quite measure up to Barnes. Ozy DOES have an intellect advantage for sure and great speed/reflexes(i.e. bullet-catch). His strength def does not equal the Winter Soldier's.
6/10 - The Winter Soldier.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
If you prep for the speed of the bullet, yes.Ozy stopped a god from seeing his plan, you dont think he can prep for a small caliber?
Also he was pulling Tony's reactor out.
You can prep to catch a bullet for 100 ****ing years...but you'd still need beyond superhuman reflexes to actually do it you buffoon...especially from six damn feet away
Dr.M is no god
He didn't use any physical means to stop him...so yeah
But did he pull the reactor out?
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
Drummers only appear to be fast due to the fact they're only moving their hands back and forth in very shot movements punching would require much more exertion... but you knew that with your shoddy arguments
Exactly. Punching involves much more than just arm or hand movements. That's why someone with fast arm movement doesn't mean they are fast punchers.